New NATCA Facebook Page

[32andBelow]

Night diff alone is worth 5-8k easy….you also get to walk away from work after putting maybe 5 hours on position. Home every night, no time away from your family.

But I guess we should expect our union’s leadership to make all these sacrifices, AND make less money….ok…

Is this satire?

 

[Papacharlie327]

Night diff alone is worth 5-8k easy….you also get to walk away from work after putting maybe 5 hours on position. Home every night, no time away from your family.

But I guess we should expect our union’s leadership to make all these sacrifices, AND make less money….ok…

Somebody get this guy a 6 day work week and a divorce stat

 

[Homsar]

I gave it a week, saw the propaganda echo chamber it was going to be and pulled chocks.

Just curious, does NATCA release financial data like number of paid staff, salaries, or any sort of rundown (cue *I'm going to need a rundown* scene)?
Seems like every time I hear from NATCA is about a new committee, conference, or new hire advisor/position...

They're required to release some data publicly. Here's an eye-opening 2021 disclosure:

000-380 (LM2) 12/31/2021

Natca is paying Paul and Trish an average of 22k 6k per month for "consulting." Yikes.

 

[rhombus]

They're required to release some data publicly. Here's an eye-opening 2021 disclosure:

000-380 (LM2) 12/31/2021

Natca is paying Paul and Trish an average of 22k per month for "consulting." Yikes.

I was actually wondering if something like that would happen. Where are you seeing that though?

 

[Homsar]

I was actually wondering if something like that would happen. Where are you seeing that though?

My math was pretty off, it's more like 6k a month. Still, crazy.

 

[CaptainObvious]

They're required to release some data publicly. Here's an eye-opening 2021 disclosure:

000-380 (LM2) 12/31/2021

Natca is paying Paul and Trish an average of 22k per month for "consulting." Yikes.

I think maybe that’s their partial year salary prior to leaving. Lebovidge and Santa both made just over 100k

 

[Phillytroll69]

My math was pretty off, it's more like 6k a month. Still, crazy.

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What's crazy about it? Their valuable years of experience in BOTH aviation and the union make them uniquely equipped to consult on issues. I'd charge a ton too

 

[Peter Gibbons]

What's crazy about it? Their valuable years of experience in BOTH aviation and the union make them uniquely equipped to consult on issues. I'd charge a ton too

I mean question is how much consulting are they doing? Are they in on every conference call and meeting and decision? If so sure, ya it's a worthy price for them, but does it really constitute a leadership change at that point for us if they still have a say? Or is it an occasional phone call to answer a question or advice or intro to someone? If that's the case.... that's something I'd expect a lifelong union supporter and leader to just do on principle.

Either way, I don't think it's a great look particularly after the gofundme fiasco from last year.

 

[Papacharlie327]

I mean question is how much consulting are they doing? Are they in on every conference call and meeting and decision? If so sure, ya it's a worthy price for them, but does it really constitute a leadership change at that point for us if they still have a say? Or is it an occasional phone call to answer a question or advice or intro to someone? If that's the case.... that's something I'd expect a lifelong union supporter and leader to just do on principle.

Either way, I don't think it's a great look particularly after the gofundme fiasco from last year.

The rinaldi/Gilbert gofundme was the turning point when intelligent BUEs realized this current NEB was not healthy for our future

 

[32andBelow]

I mean question is how much consulting are they doing? Are they in on every conference call and meeting and decision? If so sure, ya it's a worthy price for them, but does it really constitute a leadership change at that point for us if they still have a say? Or is it an occasional phone call to answer a question or advice or intro to someone? If that's the case.... that's something I'd expect a lifelong union supporter and leader to just do on principle.

Either way, I don't think it's a great look particularly after the gofundme fiasco from last year.

Idk why we need consultants. Isn’t that why we pay all these RVPs and VPs and Ps

 

[GulfCharlie]

The rinaldi/Gilbert gofundme was the turning point when intelligent BUEs realized this current NEB was not healthy for our future

Yeah it wasn’t the fact they wanted to privatise us that broke my back ?

 

[Move78]

Idk why we need consultants. Isn’t that why we pay all these RVPs and VPs and Ps

We pay the VP and P

 

[CaptainObvious]

Where do the funds for the RVPs and consultants come from

 

[Move78]

Where do the funds for the RVPs and consultants come from

Consultants are paid by the union. RVPs are paid their normal salary by the FAA plus a stipend by NATCA for diffs.

 

[32andBelow]

Consultants are paid by the union. RVPs are paid their normal salary by the FAA plus a stipend by NATCA for diffs.

Except for all the union shit they do any meetings they fly to and stuff

 

[GoodEnough]

Most every current complaint about the union was created while Paul and Trish were in charge, so they shouldn’t be consulted for anything except what not to do.

 

[Move78]

Except for all the union shit they do any meetings they fly to and stuff

The union shit is the actual job and expenses are not compensation it just means you don’t have to lose money to perform the job duties.

 

[El Conquistador]

The union doesn’t want any real open and honest discussion. They especially don’t want any criticism or challenging of the status quo. They only want to hear butt kissing “you guys are the best union on the planet!” bullshit. They don’t even allow comments on their regular FB page anymore b/c tons of people were questioning why the union constantly pushes a rainbow and sunshine agenda when morale, working conditions, and member approval is arguably at an all time low. All the butt kissers constantly play the “wElL iF yOu DoNt LiKe ThInGs, GeT iNvOlVeD aNd SaY sOmEtHiNg” card, but then they ignore and silence anyone who asks questions.

Hmmm.....Sounds vaguely familiar. You know the part about not wanting any real open and honest discussion.

 

[32andBelow]

The union shit is the actual job and expenses are not compensation it just means you don’t have to lose money to perform the job duties.

Yah I’m saying go do the union job duties so we don’t have to hire consultants

 

[Move78]

Yah I’m saying go do the union job duties so we don’t have to hire consultants

I know nothing about consultants but the RVPs do more work than the rest of us