Odds of going to a large tracon without radar exp

[quicklook]

Thinking about putting paperwork in next ncept for a few different places and considering some tracons. How common is it for someone from a low level tower only to get picked up at a busy tracon? And is checking out even a possibility?

 

[doodii]

People from HEF go to PCT all the time.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

It's possible and it happens but you have to go to Oklahoma again and expect a steep learning curve

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

On top of your your degree of mastery in the martial art of ass-kissing, your odds are severely impacted by both the quantity and quality of the donuts you bring during your tour.

These are also still dependent upon how many lambs you sacrificed to the NCEPT gods.

 

[doodii]

On top of your your degree of mastery in the martial art of ass-kissing, your odds are severely impacted by both the quantity and quality of the donuts you bring during your tour.

These are also still dependent upon how many lambs you sacrificed to the NCEPT gods.

This is the best explanation thus far.

 

[Horno]

Thinking about putting paperwork in next ncept for a few different places and considering some tracons. How common is it for someone from a low level tower only to get picked up at a busy tracon? And is checking out even a possibility?

Extremely likely .. as far as checking out that’s up to you

 

[kombucha23]

Happens every panel. A guy from SEE got picked up for SCT. Maybe not a slow tower itself, but certainly a new ballgame.

 

[DA]

Paperwork isn’t enough. If you are able to tour you should reach out to the FACREP and or ATM. You have to be more than a name next to a low level experience bullet point. Even if you can’t visit you should make contact before the lists come out. But yeah if you put in the effort and are willing to learn you can go anywhere.

 

[ta94]

Don’t. Go to an up down or low level tracon for a a couple of years, then transfer to the high level tracon. Much better than going to the high level tracon now and training for 4-5 years and then washing out.

 

[Cmsgthokage]

Put paper work in for wherever you want and then put in the work. Chances of you getting picked up at where you want to be don’t bother putting in for some where you won’t plan on settling down at just to play the transfer lotto again.

 

[ta94]

Yep, you should totally go to your dream facility unprepared with a decent chance to wash. You will be learning something completely different, talking to more planes in an hour than your current facility talks to in a day. Not to mention, go to an 8/9 tracon or up down, get checked out in a year, transfer a year later, and then checked out at the 12 within 2 years. That’s a 4-5 year process, compared to going to a 12 now and taking 4-5 years training there to maybe make it.

 

[ajmezz]

Yep, you should totally go to your dream facility unprepared with a decent chance to wash. You will be learning something completely different, talking to more planes in an hour than your current facility talks to in a day. Not to mention, go to an 8/9 tracon or up down, get checked out in a year, transfer a year later, and then checked out at the 12 within 2 years. That’s a 4-5 year process, compared to going to a 12 now and taking 4-5 years training there to maybe make it.

Tell me you’re out of touch with the transfer process without telling me you’re out of touch with the transfer process..

 

[Move78]

Yep, you should totally go to your dream facility unprepared with a decent chance to wash. You will be learning something completely different, talking to more planes in an hour than your current facility talks to in a day. Not to mention, go to an 8/9 tracon or up down, get checked out in a year, transfer a year later, and then checked out at the 12 within 2 years. That’s a 4-5 year process, compared to going to a 12 now and taking 4-5 years training there to maybe make it.

This poor mf

 

[CryBabiesGoHome]

Don’t. Go to an up down or low level tracon for a a couple of years, then transfer to the high level tracon. Much better than going to the high level tracon now….

Imagine thinking you have the ability to just hop scotch your ass willingly across this country….I’ll do a year here, jump over there for a couple summers to “ramp up” and then I’ll be ready for my dream facility and they will take me with open arms.

Then imagine thinking these same facilities you’re not good enough for right now, don’t get off the streets, wash outs on sims and army helo “prior experience” every year….

Bless your heart.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Yep, you should totally go to your dream facility unprepared with a decent chance to wash. You will be learning something completely different, talking to more planes in an hour than your current facility talks to in a day. Not to mention, go to an 8/9 tracon or up down, get checked out in a year, transfer a year later, and then checked out at the 12 within 2 years. That’s a 4-5 year process, compared to going to a 12 now and taking 4-5 years training there to maybe make it.

Until you do this get to that mid level facility and end up stuck there for years in training due to training backlogs, and even when you certify the amount of people who recognize the realities of transfers these days doing exactly what you are advising against making it a near impossibility to get out due to your mid level facilities shit staffing. Can't tell whether this is an out of touch post or someone intentionally giving bad advice because they are stuck and salty....

OP apply where you want to be and roll the dice, do the networking etc. It's a crapshoot these days with movement so if you aren't in a hurry to leave where you are and are willing to wait for that dream facility do so, unless the ATM/facrep you've hopefully networked with tells you he has lots of experienced applicants from higher level facilities he feels more confident in, doesn't take people from xxx facility type unless he has to etc., then maybe re evaluate.

Lots of people have gotten caught in the mad scramble to move up and are in places they don't want to be now with no hope of advancing thier careers in the foreseeable future taking the above quoted advice.

 

[Atcbrownie]

PCT currently has 4 trainees from HEF. We get someone from HEF on what seems like every panel. Success rate is very high.

 

[Somenewguy]

Don’t. Go to an up down or low level tracon for a a couple of years, then transfer to the high level tracon. Much better than going to the high level tracon now and training for 4-5 years and then washing out.

That's really bad advice. Working in Moses Lake will leave you less prepared to work N90 than you are today, and that's IF you can ever get out.

 

[quicklook]

Thanks for the input everyone. Which tracons are more desirable and which ones would you guys stay away from? Thinking about putting in for I90 or D10

 

[rugbydog11]

Thanks for the input everyone. Which tracons are more desirable and which ones would you guys stay away from? Thinking about putting in for I90 or D10

Both are very desirable. Big money for no state taxes and warm weather.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Don’t. Go to an up down or low level tracon for a a couple of years, then transfer to the high level tracon. Much better than going to the high level tracon now and training for 4-5 years and then washing out.

Come on bro, in 2007-2012 they were sending new hires any level right from the start. And there were more OTS hires during that time than anytime since Regan. And you know what? Wash out rates were almost exactly the same as now. It’s terrible advice to tell someone to go to a low level TRACON or up down to get the “experience” needed to make it at the bigs. At best you might have a 2% better chance to check out. At worst you will have a worse chance as you are likely to pick up shit habits and have increased expectations being “experienced”.