Slate Book extended until July 2026

[ramfan402402]

So now they have the vote for Harris or the conservatives will fuck us in the election argument.

 

[Acquired Taste]

If youre not breaking even with our pay raises, youre really fucking up. Im sorry but some of you are just bad at finances and can't accept that.

My guy, the Fed's target inflation rate literally outpaces our raises. They're now aiming for "symmetrical inflation that averages out to 2% over time" which means they're overshooting the 2% target now to make up for "all the years of sub 2% inflation" because a rising cost of living is supposedly a good thing according to brightest minds in the government. But FightingIrish2012 is right, have you looked at the prices of anything lately? Commodities are ripping. Housing market is absolutely bananas, lumber quadrupled to all time highs in a year, corn, soybeans, copper, iron, hogs... you name it, it's up way more than 2%. So if you're somehow breaking even YoY, you're really bad at math. Luckily, the fed says all this inflation is just transitory. Meanwhile, 34% of all income in the U.S. now comes from the government's magic money printer. No one wants to get jobs when the government is paying them more to stay at home than to work. We're producing less goods, and spending more monopoly money into existence by the trillions with more another $2 trillion plan proposed every month, and they really are going to try to say any inflation is only transitory? Not to mention the government has massive financial incentives to understate inflation so when the official inflation rate is 2%, the actual inflation rate is probably running at about 5 or 6%. But yeah, I guess it shouldn't be too hard to keep up with 5% inflation on a 1.6% raise. All of that is assuming we get lucky and the official inflation stays around 2% and not 5 or 6%. My bet is on the latter, because if you think the Fed is ever going to do the right thing and raise interest rates and force the government to cut back on the helicopter money, you're in for a bad time.

 

[CaptainObvious]

After a lot of the controller work force just got a 5 on 10 off schedule, or 5 on 5 off, or didn't have to come to work at all and still got a pay check. I can see that going well on Fox News when they smear us.

If youre not breaking even with our pay raises, youre really fucking up. Im sorry but some of you are just bad at finances and can't accept that.

He’s talking about breaking even with inflation. Not in general, but hey if you’re good with losing money every year and not a “raise” good on you

 

[yourinthehold]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

We are pleased to announce that our Union has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to extend the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) that covers the air traffic control specialists, traffic management coordinators/specialists, air traffic controllers assigned to the flight service option, and Notice to Airmen specialists (NOTAMS), commonly referred to as the Slate Book. This CBA was scheduled to expire on July 24, 2022. The MOU extends the duration of this CBA another four years until July 24, 2026. This extension is another result of NATCA’s highly successful and productive collaborative relationship with the FAA, as well as a new administration committed to supporting federal employees and collective bargaining rights.

Members can see the original agreement, dated July 24, 2016 here. This CBA currently covers 14,447 bargaining unit employees (BUE) — nearly three quarters of NATCA’s total represented BUEs. The May 3, 2021 MOU extending this agreement can be found here.

NATCA's President-elect Rich Santa and Executive Vice President-elect Andrew LeBovidge stated their support of this MOU extension. Rich said, "We believe extending this CBA is a great accomplishment for the covered members and our Union. This MOU will provide stability for the workforce, ensure continued collaboration to modernize the NAS, and provide the traveling public with the safest air transportation system in the world." Andrew added, "This CBA extension preserves the existing work rules and future pay adjustments for the duration of the extension. It is also the continuation of the strong desire for both parties to remain focused on building a collaborative environment and improving the safety of the NAS by continuing to work together."

We are very pleased to bring you this news. We are proud of this CBA and what it has meant to our represented bargaining units, as well as what it has represented in our collaborative relationship with the Agency. We will continue to use this collaborative relationship to navigate our way through the COVID-19 pandemic and look ahead to a brighter future. We thank each of you for your dedication to the safety of the NAS and to the great solidarity of this Union.

In solidarity,

Paul Rinaldi
President

Trish Gilbert
Executive Vice President

The last time they extended a contract we got the white book......

 

[Soham]

My guy, the Fed's target inflation rate literally outpaces our raises. They're now aiming for "symmetrical inflation that averages out to 2% over time" which means they're overshooting the 2% target now to make up for "all the years of sub 2% inflation" because a rising cost of living is supposedly a good thing according to brightest minds in the government. But FightingIrish2012 is right, have you looked at the prices of anything lately? Commodities are ripping. Housing market is absolutely bananas, lumber quadrupled to all time highs in a year, corn, soybeans, copper, iron, hogs... you name it, it's up way more than 2%. So if you're somehow breaking even YoY, you're really bad at math. Luckily, the fed says all this inflation is just transitory. Meanwhile, 34% of all income in the U.S. now comes from the government's magic money printer. No one wants to get jobs when the government is paying them more to stay at home than to work. We're producing less goods, and spending more monopoly money into existence by the trillions with more another $2 trillion plan proposed every month, and they really are going to try to say any inflation is only transitory? Not to mention the government has massive financial incentives to understate inflation so when the official inflation rate is 2%, the actual inflation rate is probably running at about 5 or 6%. But yeah, I guess it shouldn't be too hard to keep up with 5% inflation on a 1.6% raise. All of that is assuming we get lucky and the official inflation stays around 2% and not 5 or 6%. My bet is on the latter, because if you think the Fed is ever going to do the right thing and raise interest rates and force the government to cut back on the helicopter money, you're in for a bad time.

He’s talking about breaking even with inflation. Not in general, but hey if you’re good with losing money every year and not a “raise” good on you

I'd like both of you to back up the claim that our raises don't keep up with inflation. By your logic we are literally getting poorer with every raise. I found two websites that listed US inflation, I took our NATCA raises and presidential/January raise and did some simple math. From what I can tell, since 2016 we have been paid more than the inflation rate every year. I didn't go back before 2016 because I don't think there are pay raises in the White Book nor can I get a copy of it.

Oh and I didn't include any locality rate pay bumps either. So that's even more money we got. So please, post some real information with some links. I don't want to hear regurgitated Fox News talking points. Keep that in the "Shooting the Breeze" thread.

Like I said, some of you are really bad at finances.

	Presidential	NATCA	Raises (not including locality increases)		Inflation (Per Statista.com)	Difference	Inflation (Per usinflationcalculator.com)	Difference
2020	2.6	1.6	4.2		1.4	2.8%	1.25	2.95%
2019	1.4	1.6	3		2.3	0.7%	1.81	1.19%
2018	1.4	1.6	3		1.9	1.1%	2.44	0.56%
2017	1	1.6	2.6		2.1	0.5%	2.14	0.46%
2016	1	1.6	2.6		2.1	0.5%	1.26	1.34%

 

[CaptainObvious]

I'd like both of you to back up the claim that our raises don't keep up with inflation. By your logic we are literally getting poorer with every raise. I found two websites that listed US inflation, I took our NATCA raises and presidential/January raise and did some simple math. From what I can tell, since 2016 we have been paid more than the inflation rate every year. I didn't go back before 2016 because I don't think there are pay raises in the White Book nor can I get a copy of it.

Oh and I didn't include any locality rate pay bumps either. So that's even more money we got.

Like I said, some of you are really bad at finances.

	Presidential	NATCA	Raises (not including locality increases)		Inflation (Per Statista.com)	Difference	Inflation (Per usinflationcalculator.com)	Difference
2020	2.6	1.6	4.2		1.4	2.8%	1.25	2.95%
2019	1.4	1.6	3		2.3	0.7%	1.81	1.19%
2018	1.4	1.6	3		1.9	1.1%	2.44	0.56%
2017	1	1.6	2.6		2.1	0.5%	2.14	0.46%
2016	1	1.6	2.6		2.1	0.5%	1.26	1.34%

I'd like both of you to back up the claim that our raises don't keep up with inflation. By your logic we are literally getting poorer with every raise. I found two websites that listed US inflation, I took our NATCA raises and presidential/January raise and did some simple math. From what I can tell, since 2016 we have been paid more than the inflation rate every year. I didn't go back before 2016 because I don't think there are pay raises in the White Book nor can I get a copy of it.

Oh and I didn't include any locality rate pay bumps either. So that's even more money we got. So please, post some real information with some links. I don't want to hear regurgitated Fox News talking points. Keep that in the "Shooting the Breeze" thread.

Like I said, some of you are really bad at finances.

	Presidential	NATCA	Raises (not including locality increases)		Inflation (Per Statista.com)	Difference	Inflation (Per usinflationcalculator.com)	Difference
2020	2.6	1.6	4.2		1.4	2.8%	1.25	2.95%
2019	1.4	1.6	3		2.3	0.7%	1.81	1.19%
2018	1.4	1.6	3		1.9	1.1%	2.44	0.56%
2017	1	1.6	2.6		2.1	0.5%	2.14	0.46%
2016	1	1.6	2.6		2.1	0.5%	1.26	1.34%

He literally did that in his post. Cherry pick your numbers all you want. CPI for the preceding 12 months was 2.6 and expected to rise higher.

Inflation Accelerated in March Due to Strengthening Economy, Rising Energy Prices

The consumer-price index jumped 2.6% in the year ended March, marking the start of what many economists expect to be a monthslong upswing in prices.

www.google.com

 

[Dontbotherme]

Nice insult. Ive seen the real world and I know that many jobs don't give guaranteed pay raises. 9.6% raise over 6 years is insanely good yet people are going to complain. I asked a simple question, how much do you think we could have negoatiated. So far no one has provided an answer, just attempts to insult.

Oh and those that think Trump would have passed this too, youre straight up delusional.


An improvement to NCEPT would have been nice.

Extending four years is a roughly 6.5% pay increase versus today’s pay. Given Democratic controlled Executive and Legislative branches, this seems like a missed opportunity. I don’t think 1.8-1.9% annual pay raises would have been out of reach with little to no work on the union’s part. That would’ve been 7.4-7.8% over the same time period (July 2023-July 2026).

 

[Soham]

He literally did that in his post. Cherry pick your numbers all you want. CPI for the preceding 12 months was 2.6 and expected to rise higher.

Inflation Accelerated in March Due to Strengthening Economy, Rising Energy Prices

The consumer-price index jumped 2.6% in the year ended March, marking the start of what many economists expect to be a monthslong upswing in prices.

www.google.com

He didn't provide a single link other than one to FightingIrish. I've provided facts on our historical raises and historical inflation. The Wall Street Journal article is only about this current year. If inflation is so high now then you can expect a larger raise in January. That is how it works.

Once again, I want to see your historical information proving that our raises haven't done better than inflation. Stop moving the goal posts and prove me wrong.

 

[Congressional]

I'd like both of you to back up the claim that our raises don't keep up with inflation. By your logic we are literally getting poorer with every raise. I found two websites that listed US inflation, I took our NATCA raises and presidential/January raise and did some simple math. From what I can tell, since 2016 we have been paid more than the inflation rate every year. I didn't go back before 2016 because I don't think there are pay raises in the White Book nor can I get a copy of it.

Oh and I didn't include any locality rate pay bumps either. So that's even more money we got. So please, post some real information with some links. I don't want to hear regurgitated Fox News talking points. Keep that in the "Shooting the Breeze" thread.

Like I said, some of you are really bad at finances.

	Presidential	NATCA	Raises (not including locality increases)		Inflation (Per Statista.com)	Difference	Inflation (Per usinflationcalculator.com)	Difference
2020	2.6	1.6	4.2		1.4	2.8%	1.25	2.95%
2019	1.4	1.6	3		2.3	0.7%	1.81	1.19%
2018	1.4	1.6	3		1.9	1.1%	2.44	0.56%
2017	1	1.6	2.6		2.1	0.5%	2.14	0.46%
2016	1	1.6	2.6		2.1	0.5%	1.26	1.34%

It’s worth mentioning you’re actually underestimating our raises by treating them additively as opposed to multiplicatively. Not significant but not insubstantial.

 

[32andBelow]

You guys can argue all you want. The facts are the Union should always be trying to get us more money or better QOL. We have a pro labor administration and they punted to the beginning of an unknown possibly non favorable administration.

there was zero risk to negotiate with mayor Pete and they didn’t even try.

 

[rugbydog11]

Assuming a 1 percent in January 22-26. And no changes to locality, Jun of 26 would be about 15.5 percent raise from current pay. Idk about y'all, but I'm good with it.
Things I wish were changed for the better though would be increase credit hours carryover from 24 to 40.
Flight deck in conjunction with leave, and 3+ a year, and can do same destination. I'd like to see the Sunday pay split up for Saturday and Sunday or just a premium for Saturday. Maybe unfuck our pay periods so we don't need the 4-12 and 12-8 mid on Sat night/sun morn. Negotiate floating holidays instead of in lieu of days. Also, any hours worked on a holiday should be 2x like if you have the day-mid thanksgiving night 10 hours of 2x instead of 8.

 

[Spaceforce]

Assuming a 1 percent in January 22-26. And no changes to locality, Jun of 26 would be about 15.5 percent raise from current pay. Idk about y'all, but I'm good with it.
Things I wish were changed for the better though would be increase credit hours carryover from 24 to 40.
Flight deck in conjunction with leave, and 3+ a year, and can do same destination. I'd like to see the Sunday pay split up for Saturday and Sunday or just a premium for Saturday. Maybe unfuck our pay periods so we don't need the 4-12 and 12-8 mid on Sat night/sun morn. Negotiate floating holidays instead of in lieu of days. Also, any hours worked on a holiday should be 2x like if you have the day-mid thanksgiving night 10 hours of 2x instead of 8.

Nominated for president. Saturday premium should be 15%. Entice people to work the fkn weekends.

 

[32andBelow]

Assuming a 1 percent in January 22-26. And no changes to locality, Jun of 26 would be about 15.5 percent raise from current pay. Idk about y'all, but I'm good with it.
Things I wish were changed for the better though would be increase credit hours carryover from 24 to 40.
Flight deck in conjunction with leave, and 3+ a year, and can do same destination. I'd like to see the Sunday pay split up for Saturday and Sunday or just a premium for Saturday. Maybe unfuck our pay periods so we don't need the 4-12 and 12-8 mid on Sat night/sun morn. Negotiate floating holidays instead of in lieu of days. Also, any hours worked on a holiday should be 2x like if you have the day-mid thanksgiving night 10 hours of 2x instead of 8.

That would be cool

 

[CaptainObvious]

Nominated for president. Saturday premium should be 15%. Entice people to work the fkn weekends.

Some of us don’t have a choice

 

[Termine]

Flight deck in conjunction with leave, and 3+ a year, and can do same destination.

IIRC the flight deck program used to be a lot more lax, but the inspector general came in at some point (late nineties?) and shut it down hard because it had gotten out that people were flying to vacations for free. The rest of what you said all sounds fantastic, though there might be difficulty unfucking the pay periods due to government pay laws, not sure on that.

The 25% Sunday pay is federal law, so that stays, but I wouldn't complain if they negotiated Saturday pay as well.

 

[32andBelow]

IIRC the flight deck program used to be a lot more lax, but the inspector general came in at some point (late nineties?) and shut it down hard because it had gotten out that people were flying to vacations for free. The rest of what you said all sounds fantastic, though there might be difficulty unfucking the pay periods due to government pay laws, not sure on that.

The 25% Sunday pay is federal law, so that stays, but I wouldn't complain if they negotiated Saturday pay as well.

It’s not that hard you just don’t let the Sunday night people flex. Then it works out to 40 hours.

 

[StealthChain]

Mixed Staff, civilians form the backbone of the facilities.

No! NCO's form the bac......wait, nevermind.

 

[ehhwuit]

A military facility. Not federal employees.

Those are civilian federal employees in that facility who are being represented by NATCA. You are entirely incorrect.

 

[Spaceforce]

Some of us don’t have a choice

Right, but that might entice people to bid to work Saturdays... and also not call in Saturdays

 

[Soham]

Those are civilian federal employees in that facility who are being represented by NATCA. You are entirely incorrect.

Marines work at Cherry Point. They have a website that's been updated recently showing their staff and pictures of marines in the building. I didn't know civilians wore marine uniforms. There may be some FAA civilians there but I said it's a military facility. It's a marine base and a marine tower.. Therefore I'm not "entirely incorrect" or incorrect at all.

That's like saying Langley AFB is civilian because they have 4-5 DoD controllers and 20+ Air Force controllers.