PooseMaGoose
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It's what you can expect from somebody who's not only ignorant, but completely unaware that he's ignorant.
Serious What would happen if AJO and FAA split
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It's what you can expect from somebody who's not only ignorant, but completely unaware that he's ignorant.
She was carrying on like a southern megachurch preacher. No content, all emotions. And if you give just a bit more of your salary, salvation will be yours.
He’s just wasting time on all his breaks bitching on an online forum. He should find a better way to use his time and energy. Maybe he could do some good
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I think we need a dosage of 32’s anti-collaboration every now and then. There is no way we should have let the FAA run our staffing into the ground for over a decade.
However, we HAVE to collaborate because government unions can’t strike. Which takes away a lot of our power.
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I'm not in disagreement but would change your sentence to read: "However, we should choose to collaborate only where it benefits us because government unions can’t strike...... which takes away a lot of our power."
I don't mind collaboration.... but we should pick-and-choose what we collaborate on. What I mean is, collaborating on everything doesn't give you a voice on everything; however, it absolutely makes you a partner in everything. That includes the good and the bad.... the successes and the failures. And, lets be frank, collaboration with the Agency has resulted in plenty of failure for NATCA members.
I've seen us collaborate to the benefit of members and I've seen us collaborate to the detriment of members. We shouldn't blindly jump at every opportunity to collaborate because we can. We should collaborate only when the membership benefits from doing so.
My two cents.
btw this post is so fucking stupid. The only thing dishonest here is Trump. Whether they left the rest off is beside the point (assuming it's not edited to make it look bad, or some part of one or the other party's post was changed at some point). He's blantantly lying about not knowing anything about Project 2025. A large part of his team works with them, and he knows the guy who runs Heritage Foundation, and has praised them many times. Directly from their website, from 2018-
Trump Administration Embraces Heritage Foundation Policy Recommendations
One year after taking office, President Donald Trump and his administration have embraced nearly two-thirds of the policy recommendations from The Heritage Foundation’s “Mandate for Leadership.”
www.heritage.org
"One year after taking office, President Donald Trump and his administration have embraced nearly two-thirds of the policy recommendations from The Heritage Foundation’s “Mandate for Leadership.”"
"With approximately 70 former Heritage employees working for the Trump transition team or as part of the administration"
He's just now acting like he doesn't want anything to do with it because if more average voters actually become aware of and read through Project 2025, they'll realize how big of a nutjob un-American plan it is and be less likely to vote for him.
Stop being a gullible fool.
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It’s scary how regular people are parroting Russian talking points 24/7 all over the western world.btw this post is so fucking stupid. The only thing dishonest here is Trump. Whether they left the rest off is beside the point (assuming it's not edited to make it look bad, or some part of one or the other party's post was changed at some point). He's blantantly lying about not knowing anything about Project 2025. A large part of his team works with them, and he knows the guy who runs Heritage Foundation, and has praised them many times. Directly from their website, from 2018-
Trump Administration Embraces Heritage Foundation Policy Recommendations
One year after taking office, President Donald Trump and his administration have embraced nearly two-thirds of the policy recommendations from The Heritage Foundation’s “Mandate for Leadership.”
"One year after taking office, President Donald Trump and his administration have embraced nearly two-thirds of the policy recommendations from The Heritage Foundation’s “Mandate for Leadership.”"
"With approximately 70 former Heritage employees working for the Trump transition team or as part of the administration"
He's just now acting like he doesn't want anything to do with it because if more average voters actually become aware of and read through Project 2025, they'll realize how big of a nutjob un-American plan it is and be less likely to vote for him.
Stop being a gullible fool.
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Bro don't get me started 😂 my mom is part of that union and they are completely incompetent. I think NATCA is a joke compared to other airline unions such as ALPA but we are still far above the useless teachers union.
But we are creeping closer and closer to being like the teachers union where we advocate for 'all the things' and end up with dog shit each year
I get that there is a need for collaboration because of our restriction from striking but our current leadership seems to think collaboration means getting under the administrators desk and sucking off whatever he says we need to do
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PooseMaGoose
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btw this post is so fucking stupid. The only thing dishonest here is Trump. Whether they left the rest off is beside the point (assuming it's not edited to make it look bad, or some part of one or the other party's post was changed at some point). He's blantantly lying about not knowing anything about Project 2025. A large part of his team works with them, and he knows the guy who runs Heritage Foundation, and has praised them many times. Directly from their website, from 2018-
Trump Administration Embraces Heritage Foundation Policy Recommendations
One year after taking office, President Donald Trump and his administration have embraced nearly two-thirds of the policy recommendations from The Heritage Foundation’s “Mandate for Leadership.”
"One year after taking office, President Donald Trump and his administration have embraced nearly two-thirds of the policy recommendations from The Heritage Foundation’s “Mandate for Leadership.”"
"With approximately 70 former Heritage employees working for the Trump transition team or as part of the administration"
He's just now acting like he doesn't want anything to do with it because if more average voters actually become aware of and read through Project 2025, they'll realize how big of a nutjob un-American plan it is and be less likely to vote for him.
Stop being a gullible fool.
What are some key points from Project 2025 regarding DOT/FAA/ATO that you personally find problematic?
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We have multiple situations that prove running public safety "like a business" would have been disastrous for air traffic (9/11, covid).
PooseMaGoose
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I'm not arguing with you. Really, I'm not.. but you didn't answer the question in the slightest. How do two unprecedented, historic, once in a lifetime events (hopefully) that could never have been predicted demonstrate that operating more like a business would be disastrous for air traffic?
It sounds like your issue is with the verbiage of proposals in general?? You have a negative connotation with business in general? I'm struggling to see what actual key points you take issue with... I'm all for running public safety like a business as long as we treat safety as our "profit" and the business is successful... but this is all semantic because you never actually answered the question.
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The plan starts with replacing every department manager in the whole government with repunlican approved approved loyalists. It makes way more people appointed instead of career folks.
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So who in the ATO would be appointed that is currently career?
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running like a business means for profit, nothing else. see what's happened to boeing? they're running like a business..lol. youre changing the definition to suit your argument, which doesn't make sense.
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I don't have an argument. I asked a question... which nobody has answered....
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Probably that you could be fired for washing at a facility, no matter your career progression.
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But since you mentioned it… Your statement is false. The end state goal of business is profit. Yes. But to “run like a business” means to implement practices typically adhered to in the private sector.
For instance, running like a business means streamlining processes by getting rid of unnecessary red tape and bureaucracy. Running like a business means holding employees accountable for performance, running like a business means incorporating financial discipline to run budgets, more efficiently and reduce waste.
Government organizations can do these things without having profit as a bottom line… It’s about changing the manner in which an organization functions to better serve its intended purpose.
Private sector business and government organizations both serve very different functions obviously… Neither one is right or wrong, but there are absolutely best practices that can be utilized from both worlds.
Your comment just shows your lack of understanding.
“Probably.”
I’m assuming that means you’re just guessing on what the project actually states about the FAA… I don’t personally know because I am not familiar with it… But I would say there’s a happy medium regarding employee performance for air traffic controllers. There should be forgiveness for training, failures, but as it currently sits, I would say we are too lenient on who is still working after atrocious performance
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From their own X page: “It calls for combatting the excesses of the Deep State’s bloated federal employee unions, which have ensured that federal employees keep their jobs even if they engage in illegal behavior or perform their jobs poorly.”
So if you “perform your job poorly” (ie. fail to certify), you lose your job. I fail to see how/where I’m reading into the gray area here.
Hope you never have aspirations of transferring to a Level 12 because if you wash, you’re done. Hope you never have a deal. See ya. ATSAP? That won’t exist anymore probably. Union help? What Union?
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It is a bit of a leap to assume that the leniency and discretion of TRBs would cease to exist under that verbiage.. but let’s just assume you are correct. All training failures are released. Is that such a horrible thing? Maybe.. maybe not.
I’m not taking a stance for or against “project 25” because I don’t know anything about it.
However, asking people what they disagree with and why is pretty enlightening. When I’m not getting highly politicized bullshit from fantasy land, the answers I’m getting are worth a discussion…
I am all for mechanisms that can remove chronic under-performers.. air traffic controllers, police officers, teachers… I think accountability is a GOOD thing and we live in a world where many employees don’t have to be accountable. Of course a balance needs to be struck. That scale is way off at the moment
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