Serious What would happen if AJO and FAA split

[AB19]

If you think anyone in charge of P2025 doesn't think we are massively overpaid it's laughable, they're going to want to slash wages for spending reasons, look to remove the benefits we get, safety should never be treated like a business

 

[Somenewguy]

"Red tape and bureaucracy" is often conflated with redundant safety measures and worker protections.

We would all like a more efficient system. The issue is that without regulations, we cut back until we find (and often go beyond) the bleeding edge of what the market, the planet, and other human beings can bear.

We cannot let the free market decide what level of safety is appropriate for Air travel. For Air Traffic control.

If you need any examples of why private businesses can't be trusted to protect the workers or the public -

Enron.

Chiquita bananas hiring paramilitary groups to defend personal property.

Deepwater Horizon.

Occidental destroying indigenous communities in Peru.

Radium Girls.

The motivation should be efficiency AFTER safety. And if we streamline out redundancy then we will be less safe, period. It would save weight to remove a set of magnetos from every cessna, but airplanes have two magnetos for a reason.

 

[Raise when?]

But since you mentioned it… Your statement is false. The end state goal of business is profit. Yes. But to “run like a business” means to implement practices typically adhered to in the private sector.

For instance, running like a business means streamlining processes by getting rid of unnecessary red tape and bureaucracy. Running like a business means holding employees accountable for performance, running like a business means incorporating financial discipline to run budgets, more efficiently and reduce waste.

Government organizations can do these things without having profit as a bottom line… It’s about changing the manner in which an organization functions to better serve its intended purpose.

Private sector business and government organizations both serve very different functions obviously… Neither one is right or wrong, but there are absolutely best practices that can be utilized from both worlds.

Your comment just shows your lack of understanding.

Tldr babbling about nothing

 

[PooseMaGoose]

Tldr babbling about nothing

Omg! No! Please read and comprehend what I typed! Please please! I need you to digest this!!

…oh wait that’s right. I don’t give a fuck.

 

[Ad1234]

What are some key points from Project 2025 regarding DOT/FAA/ATO that you personally find problematic?

Two things:
1. The recent Supreme Court chevron decision which they intend to use to cripple federal regulatory agencies, especially now that companies who don’t like regulation have a roadmap to attack their regulators.
2. Their overall distrust in public sector unions. Really unions in general.


These 2 things alone will absolutely change the way we currently do business and take out the legs from under the dot/faa/ato

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Can’t wait to start negotiations after we’ve been trashed publicly for 2+ years with no defense

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811110516766466384

 

[PooseMaGoose]

Two things:
1. The recent Supreme Court chevron decision which they intend to use to cripple federal regulatory agencies, especially now that companies who don’t like regulation have a roadmap to attack their regulators.
2. Their overall distrust in public sector unions. Really unions in general.


These 2 things alone will absolutely change the way we currently do business and take out the legs from under the dot/faa/ato

Thanks for the solid answer! I’ll read into it.

 

[Ad1234]

Thanks for the solid answer! I’ll read into it.

Trumps executive order #13837 is just a little taste. Certainly the true impact of it can be discussed, Im open to that, it’s at a minimum a test case. let’s not pretend he won’t be pushed to go further and/or stronger next go around or be willing to negotiate in good faith for our contract , when the heritage foundation and project 2025 openly advocate against workers rights and protections. They also advocate for no overtime pay for some reason.

 

[Shikaka]

 

[SquawkHijack]

Can’t wait to start negotiations after we’ve been trashed publicly for 2+ years with no defense

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811110516766466384

I can’t stand the media with this shit. Were those aircraft closer than they should’ve been resulting in a sep loss? Absolutely. Was that a near miss? Absolutely NOT. Neither of the two aircraft took evasive action. Not a good look regardless, but they pump the shit up into something that it’s not almost every time.

 

[32andBelow]

I can’t stand the media with this shit. Were those aircraft closer than they should’ve been resulting in a sep loss? Absolutely. Was that a near miss? Absolutely NOT. Neither of the two aircraft took evasive action. Not a good look regardless, but they pump the shit up into something that it’s not almost every time.

Do you have the other aircraft in sight? Yes sir. 🙃

 

[Spoony90]

Do you have the other aircraft in sight? Yes sir. 🙃

Yeah I can see the pilot has blue eyes

 

[rhombus]

I can’t stand the media with this shit. Were those aircraft closer than they should’ve been resulting in a sep loss? Absolutely. Was that a near miss? Absolutely NOT. Neither of the two aircraft took evasive action. Not a good look regardless, but they pump the shit up into something that it’s not almost every time.

Obviously this was not good because the pilot questioned the runway spacing and then he got sent around but where was the loss? Tower applied all day babay

 

[Acquired Taste]

Obviously this was not good because the pilot questioned the runway spacing and then he got sent around but where was the loss? Tower applied all day babay

Yeah sure, tower applied means no loss but there was absolutely no positive control here. SYR departures are all issued runway heading 4000' as part of their clearance. As soon as he realized he messed up, he should've issued a turn to JIA as part of the go around instead of just letting him overfly the departure on the same heading climbing into him from an angle where it's likely neither pilot could see one another. What good does "enter left closed traffic" do for you? Flying upwind is part of the traffic pattern. No traffic exchanged. From the YouTube video, it says they were 0.1 miles and 500 ft apart at the closest point and the JIA reported the RA after they were already pulling away from each other.

This was probably closer to disaster than AUS, only it wasn't foggy. Not good.

 

[rhombus]

Yeah sure, tower applied means no loss but there was absolutely no positive control here. SYR departures are all issued runway heading 4000' as part of their clearance. As soon as he realized he messed up, he should've issued a turn to JIA as part of the go around instead of just letting him overfly the departure on the same heading climbing into him from an angle where it's likely neither pilot could see one another. What good does "enter left closed traffic" do for you? Flying upwind is part of the traffic pattern. No traffic exchanged. From the YouTube video, it says they were 0.1 miles and 500 ft apart at the closest point and the JIA reported the RA after they were already pulling away from each other.

This was probably closer to disaster than AUS, only it wasn't foggy. Not good.

Absolutely zero urgency in the controllers’ voice as well. I’m curious to know if it was a legit squeeze play or if he just forgot about the guy on final

 

[32andBelow]

Obviously this was not good because the pilot questioned the runway spacing and then he got sent around but where was the loss? Tower applied all day babay

I don’t see anyone hitting that guy

 

[Acquired Taste]

Absolutely zero urgency in the controllers’ voice as well. I’m curious to know if it was a legit squeeze play or if he just forgot about the guy on final

Definitely just forgot. They don't have LUAW and he cleared EDV while JIA was about 2 mile final with no traffic call.

 

[Dolan]

Reddit post said it was a manager working? I definitely get a sense of undeserved superiority and not really caring about preventing a collision so.... Maybe?

 

[32andBelow]

Reddit post said it was a manager working? I definitely get a sense of undeserved superiority and not really caring about preventing a collision so.... Maybe?

Then they’ll say there was a deal cus a CIC was in

 

[Somenewguy]

Love shitty controllers defending shitty controllers saying if you can see airplanes you're using tower applied visual sep.

If you don't issue pertinent traffic advisories and control instructions to separate aircraft, you aren't using visual separation, you're just spectating a nmac.