What do you want to see in the next contract and beyond?

[GulfCharlie]

But then they set it up for another unknown time period. So it was void of any valid outcome in the future. A plain roll of the dice and now what they gonna do??? Endorse Biden early and pray he wins so they don’t look as bad.

Oh I agree with you brother, I was just backing the historical mentions.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Why are you guys acting like Natca is already conceding in negotiations

They already conceded under the most best conditions possible. They will shit their pants and extend this book is Trump is ahead in the polls this summer I predict.

 

[32andBelow]

Richard sent out an email about getting the spreadsheet into the reauthorization. Seems like that would be a good bill to get a new pay scale into!

 

[Foppery&Whim]

Richard sent out an email about getting the spreadsheet into the reauthorization. Seems like that would be a good bill to get a new pay scale into!

Knowing Rich, they'll opt to keep the existing pay scale. There were zero mentions of pay/salary increases in that update.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

They already conceded under the most best conditions possible. They will shit their pants and extend this book is Trump is ahead in the polls this summer I predict.

Again, I am not disagreeing with you. The difference is I am not in the past. I am thinking about the present and future. Thankfully our current leadership is different and we will have new leadership for the next negotiations. The extension has no bearing on the upcoming negotiations

 

[32andBelow]

Again, I am not disagreeing with you. The difference is I am not in the past. I am thinking about the present and future. Thankfully our current leadership is different and we will have new leadership for the next negotiations. The extension has no bearing on the upcoming negotiations

No one has the patience to wait until 2026 so they better be working on something else

 

[HurryUpandWait]

No one has the patience to wait until 2026 so they better be working on something else

Well regardless it will be after 2024.

 

[32andBelow]

Well regardless it will be after 2024.

I wouldn’t put it past the current cabal to have some mou they are working on to stay in power

 

[Ultadis]

It would be interesting to see if they do anything with purple book. Since it’s extension ends this summer it would be a good show to see if they are going to just hose them and negotiate slate and purple together or use purple to be like “look what we will do for you”. Itd be bigger than an mou if it could be pulled off.

 

[ATC Zero]

It would be interesting to see if they do anything with purple book. Since it’s extension ends this summer it would be a good show to see if they are going to just hose them and negotiate slate and purple together or use purple to be like “look what we will do for you”. Itd be bigger than an mou if it could be pulled off.

Definitely watching this. It doesn’t make any sense to extend that and try to do them both at the same time?
If that’s their rationale it’s a losing one….extend to put that contract into a definite no man’s land too….

 

[Ultadis]

Definitely watching this. It doesn’t make any sense to extend that and try to do them both at the same time?
If that’s their rationale it’s a losing one….extend to put that contract into a definite no man’s land too….

Oh I completely agree with you. Purple book is from 2013 I believe, so it would just be a slap in the face to extend it again. And just because its a loosing rationale doesn’t seem to matter much to national….

 

[ATC Zero]

Oh I completely agree with you. Purple book is from 2013 I believe, so it would just be a slap in the face to extend it again. And just because its a loosing rationale doesn’t seem to matter much to national….

Surprised there’s no information out yet coming from anyone. Don’t they usually start by now? Or are purple book employees going to get another slap in the face?
10 year old contract you’re talking 1/3 of a career for most of those employees.

 

[Ultadis]

Surprised there’s no information out yet coming from anyone. Don’t they usually start by now? Or are purple book employees going to get another slap in the face?
10 year old contract you’re talking 1/3 of a career for most of those employees.

Well according to Santas fantastic videos for slate book, he would open negotiations as soon as possible for slate book. Which is 1 year prior to expiration, so in theory they should have negotiations well underway. And it would be a huge win to show the workforce what he can negotiate, for purple book employees now and then slate book as soon as it can be opened up.

 

[ATC Zero]

Well according to Santas fantastic videos for slate book, he would open negotiations as soon as possible for slate book. Which is 1 year prior to expiration, so in theory they should have negotiations well underway. And it would be a huge win to show the workforce what he can negotiate, for purple book employees now and then slate book as soon as it can be opened up.

Definitely if he can show he has the ability to negotiate now then his reelection campaign would be smooth sailing. If he extends all bets are off on him steering the ship forward. This topic needs its own thread.
Purple and Light Blue CBA extension or negotiate?!?!?

 

[CinderBlock]

No one has the patience to wait until 2026 so they better be working on something else

The way rents have been going by 2026 I’ll just camp in the facility parking lot. At least the commute will be short though.

 

[32andBelow]

Definitely if he can show he has the ability to negotiate now then his reelection campaign would be smooth sailing. If he extends all bets are off on him steering the ship forward. This topic needs its own thread.
Purple and Light Blue CBA extension or negotiate?!?!?

The flip side is if they get them a big raise then controllers are really going to lose their patience.

 

[ATC Zero]

The flip side is if they get them a big raise then controllers are really going to lose their patience.

Well I’m fine waiting if it happens for them. Somewhat of a light at the end of the long tunnel from 2016.
Hypothetically they get their raise when the contract was up and being negotiated.
There would be an expectation they go negotiate the same thing in 2025 for 2026.
Support specialist making more than controllers. If it happens it would get the ball rolling and people may calm down a bit.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

The flip side is if they get them a big raise then controllers are really going to lose their patience.

Who cares, all the controllers are already losing their patience. Focus on securing pay raises for them and then utilize that going forward for our future

 

[KP-ATC]

Well I’m fine waiting if it happens for them. Somewhat of a light at the end of the long tunnel from 2016.
Hypothetically they get their raise when the contract was up and being negotiated.
There would be an expectation they go negotiate the same thing in 2025 for 2026.
Support specialist making more than controllers. If it happens it would get the ball rolling and people may calm down a bit.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel.
It's a freight train, opposite direction.

 

[WordsTwice]

Maybe Emily Steele can do an article about our pay and get the public on our side?