Slate Book/NATCA/MOU Questions + Interpretations

[Soul_Controller]

I had a FacRep tell me that the definition of an imbalance is when a crew goes below the number they bid for the year. Not above, as the case would be when someone certifies. I’m sure that definition could vary depending on who the FacRep and manager are.

To me it can be either/or. But for me it was automatically a staffing imbalance when you were under. It was maybe a staffing imbalance when you were over.

 

[32andBelow]

It’s not about negotiating the next line. This is all about an imbalance. Agency has to prove an imbalance to open up art46. Period

Until then everyone owns their RDOs

They should really negotiate the schedule for full staffing then and then just open the amount of lines that they need. If your critically understaffed and have 3 people on a crew I don’t don’t see how you can claim it’s balanced correctly

 

[echster]

I just certified a few weeks ago and management declared there is no imbalance. Now, a CPC with more seniority wants my RDO’s and has convinced management to bid my RDO’s. What would you do? I’d prefer to keep my schedule.

This is the dumbest thing I've hear (today). When your Facility Reps negotiated with Management in 2023 for the 2024 BWS/Leave MOUs, all parties were supposed to project CPC and Trainee lines... and part of that is forecasting Trainees that will be certified in 2024 and when they will get certified.

You're barely 3 months into 2024 and you've certified.... so what they're saying to you is that they are failures as it relates to one of the most basic items to negotiate BWS/Leave MOUs for the next calendar year. Look, I refuse to accept that as an answer (unless everyone you work with or for is a f*cking moron) and so should you. If your Facility Reps are too dumb to understand this (or actually failed to project Trainees that would become CPCs in 2024), then that's on them and you need to go to the RVP.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Look, I refuse to accept that as an answer (unless everyone you work with or for is a f*cking moron)

I personally think the union would just try to please the older controllers and it's fuck you as a trainee and then oh fuck you you're the lowest cpc.

 

[Nothanks]

I personally think the union would just try to me the older controllers happy and it's fuck you as a trainee and then oh fuck you you're the lowest cpc.

A good facrep protects everyone equally

 

[BDUB]

If we bid RDO’s this month and people leave next month do RDO’s get re-bid or is it locked in already?

 

[Gauff]

If we bid RDO’s this month and people leave next month do RDO’s get re-bid or is it locked in already?

They shouldn't be having those people bid RDOs if they have a release date in a month. If they're quitting then idk 🤷‍♂️

 

[ManBearPig]

If we bid RDO’s this month and people leave next month do RDO’s get re-bid or is it locked in already?

Typically locked in.

 

[32andBelow]

If we bid RDO’s this month and people leave next month do RDO’s get re-bid or is it locked in already?

What’s the context? We usually don’t have people bid who are leaving. Even if they are leaving right after the start

You’d prolly do a regular imbalance after that. If I were you I wouldn’t bid the line that’s most likely to get deleted

 

[S.T.O.P.]

If someone is leaving, released to another facility, medically down, etc, we ask them if they are okay with bidding last so they aren't taking good RDO's. They usually agree, especially if they are leaving in January or February.

 

[Whiskey Charlie]

If someone is leaving, released to another facility, medically down, etc, we ask them if they are okay with bidding last so they aren't taking good RDO's. They usually agree, especially if they are leaving in January or February.

I bet your facility/controller it happened with is a one off. No way a majority of controllers will take the worst days off just because they are leaving a few months into the year.

 

[S.T.O.P.]

I bet your facility/controller it happened with is a one off. No way a majority of controllers will take the worst days off just because they are leaving a few months into the year.

Tbh yeah I only can think of 1. Medically down and never worked.

 

[+TSRA]

I could use some help please regarding Performance Records of Conference (PRoC). Many moons ago, NATCA released a flyer saying a PRoC should be conducted as soon as possible after the "observed" performance.

What does or how is "observed" defined? Does that mean it must be witnessed first hand - in person? I'm asking because management issues PRoCs on events they weren't in the building for/during. Or they may issue a PRoC because they don't like the way a CIC wrote a MOR.

Also regarding10 calendar days. What happens if a BUE goes on leave. So event happens, BUE goes on leave and doesn't return before 10 calendar days. Can they still be given the PRoC?

I attempted to email [email protected] but of course no reply and nobody (NATCA) seems interested in giving guidance. Thanks!

 

[Nothanks]

Also regarding10 calendar days. What happens if a BUE goes on leave. So event happens, BUE goes on leave and doesn't return before 10 calendar days. Can they still be given the PRoC?

Tough shit, can’t do it

 

[32andBelow]

I was just in that circumstance and I took leave on day 10 and they couldn’t record it. Or record my comments which kinda sucked. 10 is 10

 

[VikingsFan85]

Will there be a provision covering what kind of time off or rewards are given for washing out and punching a fellow bargaining unit member in the face?

 

[Phanatical]

Will there be a provision covering what kind of time off or rewards are given for washing out and punching a fellow bargaining unit member in the face?

I genuinely believe that no one has a video of it. It would have came out already.

 

[Roger_That]

With the fatigue MOU and Article 34 in mind can a person be forced to work: 8 9 9 6 8 as a standard bws.

 

[Nothanks]

With the fatigue MOU and Article 34 in mind can a person be forced to work: 8 9 9 6 8 as a standard bws.

Read art 34. No

 

[Redacted]

Read art 34. No

Some regions are trying to make the argument that by accepting a 15/30 minute flex on the front end of your shift you’re automatically accepting an AWS and therefore by assigning you a non-8 hour shift, they’re not forcing you onto an AWS “because you’re already on one”

They’re using 34 Section 5 b1b. Even though Section 4 mentions needing you to volunteer in writing.