Slate Book/NATCA/MOU Questions + Interpretations

[Whiskey Charlie]

Ok. So rep makes a schedule utilizing the stupid 6hr hour thing. You are pissed and decide you won't sign off on it. What are your expectations for what happens next?

Not straight mids for the whole year. That doesn’t help with fatigue.

I have to drive an hour to work because I’m in a HCOL area and can’t afford anything closer. If I have to show up at 5am ish, that puts me waking up at 3:30. Now I have to return the same night without sleep because I have young kids who don’t understand the bullshit schedule. So I’m up for over 24 hours by the end of the mid. That definitely helps fatigue. (/s for those that can’t comprehend)

 

[Soul_Controller]

Not straight mids for the whole year. That doesn’t help with fatigue.

I have to drive an hour to work because I’m in a HCOL area and can’t afford anything closer. If I have to show up at 5am ish, that puts me waking up at 3:30. Now I have to return the same night without sleep because I have young kids who don’t understand the bullshit schedule. So I’m up for over 24 hours by the end of the mid. That definitely helps fatigue. (/s for those that can’t comprehend)

If I was doing the strong arming, then the non-aws schedule would probably be the reverse rattler. But for a rep there is definitely an element of, "why are you the only person that can't make this work?" Can't make special carve outs for one guy.

 

[32andBelow]

If I was doing the strong arming, then the non-aws schedule would probably be the reverse rattler. But for a rep there is definitely an element of, "why are you the only person that can't make this work?" Can't make special carve outs for one guy.

Theres prolly a bunch of other people who don’t want to do the fake 1 year rattler either.

Its not a carve out when you have to agree to work it

 

[ManBearPig]

Un-fucking real. Rich championing something that is fucking every 24hr facility.

 

[Phanatical]

Un-fucking real. Rich championing something that is fucking every 24hr facility.
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If you can find the video of the fatigue panel they had at CFS, I would encourage you to watch it.

 

[ManBearPig]

If you can find the video of the fatigue panel they had at CFS, I would encourage you to watch it.

Am I gonna be pissed?

 

[Phanatical]

Am I gonna be pissed?

They essentially went into the physiology of the 2-2-1 and how it was literally killing people.

 

[Nothanks]

Kill the day-mid before it kills you

 

[Phillytroll69]

They essentially went into the physiology of the 2-2-1 and how it was literally killing people.

So same as every other fatigue panel lol

 

[Move78]

They essentially went into the physiology of the 2-2-1 and how it was literally killing people.

And yet our union stepped in to… save it? Now we still have a shitier bastardized version of the 2-2-1. (9/9/8/6/8).
Whitaker’s imposition was a slap in the face for sure. Then we stepped in and got some real gains implemented. But I wanna know which fucking retard on the team drew up this dogshit version of the 2-2-1. Just kill the thing. It sucks. Some people are used to it and will bitch because they bitch about any change but it sucks and the new one sucks more.

 

[Phillytroll69]

And yet our union stepped in to… save it? Now we still have a shitier bastardized version of the 2-2-1. (9/9/8/6/8).
Whitaker’s imposition was a slap in the face for sure. Then we stepped in and got some real gains implemented. But I wanna know which fucking retard on the team drew up this dogshit version of the 2-2-1. Just kill the thing. It sucks. Some people are used to it and will bitch because they bitch about any change but it sucks and the new one sucks more.

Schedules are negotiating at LOCAL levels just get involved and ve the change you want to see

 

[32andBelow]

And yet our union stepped in to… save it? Now we still have a shitier bastardized version of the 2-2-1. (9/9/8/6/8).
Whitaker’s imposition was a slap in the face for sure. Then we stepped in and got some real gains implemented. But I wanna know which fucking retard on the team drew up this dogshit version of the 2-2-1. Just kill the thing. It sucks. Some people are used to it and will bitch because they bitch about any change but it sucks and the new one sucks more.

you don’t have to agree to To work it. They can’t force you to work more than 8 hours of straight pay

 

[Roger_That]

you don’t have to agree to To work it. They can’t force you to work more than 8 hours of straight pay

Turns out they can. The following was directed by the higher up union to local rep. "Every line we work is technically an AWS. The schedule was voted on by the facility/area and then negotiated by your elected official. By bidding the line you are volunteering to work it. Adding flex times to the shifts makes it legal under A34 section 5 B1. You can try and hardship out of the line but they can assign you any straight 8 schedule the agency wants."

 

[32andBelow]

Turns out they can. The following was directed by the higher up union to local rep. "Every line we work is technically an AWS. The schedule was voted on by the facility/area and then negotiated by your elected official. By bidding the line you are volunteering to work it. Adding flex times to the shifts makes it legal under A34 section 5 B1. You can try and hardship out of the line but they can assign you any straight 8 schedule the agency wants."

They can’t make you. And if half the area or more says f that we aren’t agreeing then they’ll have no choice but to negotiate something better. This schedule is only around for 1 year. Kicking the can down the road 1 more year will just put your facility behind the ball a year from now.

And it’s not “try” you will not work that line if you say no.

 

[Roger_That]

They can’t make you. And if half the area or more says f that we aren’t agreeing then they’ll have no choice but to negotiate something better. This schedule is only around for 1 year. Kicking the can down the road 1 more year will just put your facility behind the ball a year from now.

And it’s not “try” you will not work that line if you say no.

Local, regional, and up all say by adding the flex times it makes the 9 9 8 6 8 fall under A34 Section 5 B1 and the only way out is to hardship it.

 

[32andBelow]

Local, regional, and up all say by adding the flex times it makes the 9 9 8 6 8 fall under A34 Section 5 B1 and the only way out is to hardship it.

You can’t be forced into any alternate schedules without agreeeing. What part do they not understand?

Section 4. Participants in Alternative Work Schedules (AWS) shall be bargaining unit employees who volunteer in writing.

Whats Really crazy is we’ve basically been forced into AWS all these years without asking.

 

[Roger_That]

You can’t be forced into any alternate schedules without agreeeing. What part do they not understand?

Section 4. Participants in Alternative Work Schedules (AWS) shall be bargaining unit employees who volunteer in writing.

Again per local, regional and up every shift we work is an AWS and this schedule falls under a "Maxiflex-40". This is the UNION saying you CAN be forced to work this.

 

[32andBelow]

Again per local, regional and up every shift we work is an AWS and this schedule falls under a "Maxiflex-40". This is the UNION saying you CAN be forced to work this.

It sounds like they’ve been incorrectly forcing us onto AWS. Your region is selling you out if they are forcing people onto this

 

[Gauff]

Local, regional, and up all say by adding the flex times it makes the 9 9 8 6 8 fall under A34 Section 5 B1 and the only way out is to hardship it.

If you have a line with flex times then it is an AWS. You can say you won't work any type of AWS and they have to give you shifts that are only 8hrs 5 days a week. That schedule can be whatever they want within the new fatigue rules.

You absolutely do not have to hardship out of the 9-9-8-6-8 schedule. You just don't bid it and say you want a BWS

 

[32andBelow]

One thing is if you don’t work AWS you’d get holiday pay for every hour worked on a holiday. So for people that don’t flex and work a lot of holdover there’s that. Or if you work 4 10s non AWS you’d get holiday pay all 10 hours or 10 hours on your in lieu of.