Fatigue MOU application

[wrench978]

Im curious how other facilities are handling the new OT/fatigue guidelines. We have 2 options. "Limited", which is our old no list, and we have all bid to have every 3rd week protected, regardless of whether we worked OT the last 2 weeks or not. Then we have the Yes list, which waives the right to have the 3rd week off. There is no in between.

I was told that having every 3rd week blocked off no matter what was a regional/national negotiation, but I would be surprised if the agency was ok with that...

 

[DADDYSbabyBIRD]

Im curious how other facilities are handling the new OT/fatigue guidelines. We have 2 options. "Limited", which is our old no list, and we have all bid to have every 3rd week protected, regardless of whether we worked OT the last 2 weeks or not. Then we have the Yes list, which waives the right to have the 3rd week off. There is no in between.

I was told that having every 3rd week blocked off no matter what was a regional/national negotiation, but I would be surprised if the agency was ok with that...

This is how we did it as well. Seems very inefficient, and cumbersome. I figured it would be as simple as; oh you worked 2 weeks OT in a row do you want this third one or not?

 

[wrench978]

This is how we did it as well. Seems very inefficient, and cumbersome. I figured it would be as simple as; oh you worked 2 weeks OT in a row do you want this third one or not?

That was my thought as well... I was told it was to make things easier on the schedulers but I cant imagine it would be tough to look back the last 2 weeks. do you only have 2 options for OT? We (lowly members) have been asking for a 3rd option that says "Yes, give me OT, but I would still like my 3rd week off". So far, that has fallen on deaf ears...

 

[the inquirer]

I was told that having every 3rd week blocked off no matter what was a regional/national negotiation, but I would be surprised if the agency was ok with that...

This is correct. It was a national decision. Plenty of paperwork out there to read if you haven’t already with the MOU itself and the FAQs they released in addition.

We still have the normal yes and no list.
Then we have a separate list of available or limited. Available is the ones who say schedule me ot even on my third weekend. Limited are the ones who have their 3rd weekend protected. And just like the yes/no list, you can swap from available/limited anytime throughout the year.

That was my thought as well... I was told it was to make things easier on the schedulers but I cant imagine it would be tough to look back the last 2 weeks. do you only have 2 options for OT? We (lowly members) have been asking for a 3rd option that says "Yes, give me OT, but I would still like my 3rd week off". So far, that has fallen on deaf ears...

We have lots of people that just swapped to the yes list because a lot of people don’t mind working two in a row and being guaranteed the 3rd weekend off. You might even go a couple weekends off in a row if there is no need for OT from you.

 

[wrench978]

We have lots of people that just swapped to the yes list because a lot of people don’t mind working two in a row and being guaranteed the 3rd weekend off. You might even go a couple weekends off in a row if there is no need for OT from you.

our facility went the other way. Almost everyone switched to the "Limited" list because the yes list is going to get slammed.

 

[KP-ATC]

This is correct. It was a national decision. Plenty of paperwork out there to read if you haven’t already with the MOU itself and the FAQs they released in addition.

We still have the normal yes and no list.
Then we have a separate list of available or limited. Available is the ones who say schedule me ot even on my third weekend. Limited are the ones who have their 3rd weekend protected. And just like the yes/no list, you can swap from available/limited anytime throughout the year.

Same here

 

[Redacted]

Im curious how other facilities are handling the new OT/fatigue guidelines. We have 2 options. "Limited", which is our old no list, and we have all bid to have every 3rd week protected, regardless of whether we worked OT the last 2 weeks or not. Then we have the Yes list, which waives the right to have the 3rd week off. There is no in between.

I was told that having every 3rd week blocked off no matter what was a regional/national negotiation, but I would be surprised if the agency was ok with that...

The rationale for the bidding of your 3rd week is that if you didn’t, at the poorest staffed facilities, every BUE would be on OT for weeks 1 and 2 and have no one for week 3 resulting in above average staffing difficulties on a cyclic pattern.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

We did it the same way as well. This broad brush painting with national MOUs is moronic. Nobody at my facility worked more than 40 hours of OT last year. So I asked if in the off chance we needed OT and nobody on the unlimited listed answered their phone we weren't even going to call the limited list if it was their third week despite the fact they haven't worked an hour of overtime in years and management told me that was correct. We would work short rather than call people on their third week who have worked no overtime. 🤦‍♀️ Like what are you protecting for if we don't work overtime any other week?

 

[jdatc]

We did it the same way as well. This broad brush painting with national MOUs is moronic. Nobody at my facility worked more than 40 hours of OT last year. So I asked if in the off chance we needed OT and nobody on the unlimited listed answered their phone we weren't even going to call the limited list if it was their third week despite the fact they haven't worked an hour of overtime in years and management told me that was correct. We would work short rather than call people on their third week who have worked no overtime. 🤦‍♀️ Like what are you protecting for if we don't work overtime any other week?

Yes, but at some levels it did help some facilities.

Like in my area in my facility if any one person is on leave it generates an overtime. Since we bid it by seniority, I got to protect a couple good weekends rather than the gamble if it’d be my 3rd week since I am a not a volunteer. 21/23 cpc’s in my area limited their 3rd week overtime. 6/23 cpc are on The yes list for overtime (not me this year).

In the slower leave season (now) since there are only a few overtime’s on my crew side, I was able to ‘swap’ my non protected fatigue week non voluntary overtime with another guy on my crew, taking mine during his protected weekend. Then I did the same for him the other pay period. It worked well for both of us.

It’ll go to shit as soon as the summer hits, but for now, I’m generally happy with it. It also helps because if a facility only protects 7 days for your prime time week (5 days annual and 2 days RDO’s) you might have your fatigue week on the other 2 ensuring both sets of RDO’s are protected.

I know some places make it more difficult to refuse, relieve the employee of overtime even with the contract verbiage, so this also helps.

Then again, I’m just about to go in for my second 10hr mid since it’s how we did our schedule to comply, so maybe I’m not thinking straight.

 

[Nothanks]

We did it the same way as well. This broad brush painting with national MOUs is moronic. Nobody at my facility worked more than 40 hours of OT last year. So I asked if in the off chance we needed OT and nobody on the unlimited listed answered their phone we weren't even going to call the limited list if it was their third week despite the fact they haven't worked an hour of overtime in years and management told me that was correct. We would work short rather than call people on their third week who have worked no overtime. 🤦‍♀️ Like what are you protecting for if we don't work overtime any other week?

Sounds like you just go on the yes list and let it roll. Not very hard. You don’t hardly get overtime anyways you said, so it’s a moot point.

 

[32andBelow]

can the limited people still sign up for OT solicitations? I don’t see why you wouldn’t go limited if you can

 

[ManBearPig]

can the limited people still sign up for OT solicitations? I don’t see why you wouldn’t go limited if you can

Nope

 

[32andBelow]

Nope

So why would you pick limited and not no? I just want 3 a month but no say?

 

[ManBearPig]

We did it the same way as well. This broad brush painting with national MOUs is moronic. Nobody at my facility worked more than 40 hours of OT last year. So I asked if in the off chance we needed OT and nobody on the unlimited listed answered their phone we weren't even going to call the limited list if it was their third week despite the fact they haven't worked an hour of overtime in years and management told me that was correct. We would work short rather than call people on their third week who have worked no overtime. 🤦‍♀️ Like what are you protecting for if we don't work overtime any other week?

It's not moronic. It gives the people getting crushed a weekend. If your people want the OT, they can go on the Available list. Sounds like you guys aren't getting any anyways.

So why would you pick limited and not no? I just want 3 a month but no say?

Lets be more specific, because I made assumptions. The "Yes" and "no" list and the "limited" and "available" are separate and independent. You can go yes on the OT list, while being limited on the fatigue list. You could be no and available. If you are the limited list, you cannot be solicited on your limited week.

 

[32andBelow]

Lets be more specific, because I made assumptions. The "Yes" and "no" list and the "limited" and "available" are separate and independent. You can go yes on the OT list, while being limited on the fatigue list. You could be no and available. If you are the limited list, you cannot be solicited on your limited week.

Oh ok. That makes more sense. I’ve heard it more described as 3 lists. I was more asking about the sign up when they solicit it in advance. This happens at facilities that aren’t on 6 day work weeks but still knows they need people to work OT from time to time.

 

[Golf delta]

We have 4 options:
Yes available
Yes limited
No available
No limited

We put a calendar out for the whole year with 3 options of weeks you can’t get OT (1/2/3) and bid them by crew seniority. Everyone bid even if you went unrestricted in case someone changes their designation.

It was a bit of a pain for the people organizing it but I’m glad they did it that way.

 

[N737ER]

Like the aboive poster except my facility has said if you are Limited and if you wanted it, you can call the facility/area and ask if they need OT, but the facility/area cannot call you for OT

 

[Termine]

It's still early in the year of course, but as I understand it my facility is doing it this way:

Two separate lists, OT yes/no (same as always) and 3rd weekend available/limited (new fatigue rules).

The main OT list works as it always has. If you're Yes you get assigned/called first. If you're No you get assigned/called last.
The 3rd weekend list is relevant to the schedule team only. If you're Available you get scheduled on your 3rd weekend. If you're Limited you don't get scheduled on your 3rd weekend, no matter what. And we bid in advance which weekend would be our "3rd" weekend, even if you didn't get scheduled OT on your "1st" or "2nd" weekend. So it's a set thing, not a rolling lookback period.

But if someone bangs and they need call-in OT the sups will go down the yes/no list in WMT and call people without regard to whether you're available or limited. If you said you wanted to be Limited and it's your 3rd weekend and they didn't schedule you, but you pick up the phone anyway, that's on you.

 

[Cardsmall]

Yes/Yes: Don’t protect 3rd
Yes/No: Protect 3rd
And No

 

[Nothanks]

Yes/Yes: Don’t protect 3rd
Yes/No: Protect 3rd
And No

Close



YES - Available = I want all overtime
YES - Limited = I want overtime but not on my 3rd week( that week is pre determined )
NO = no to overtime all the fime( still gets a protected 3rd week)


There aren’t other option combos here for CPC’s. That’s it.