The only problem is they get real pissed, nothing happens, so they become 1188s.
cool, cool. 175k to scam off the boards while the rest of NATCA is screaming RAZE WEN. Sounds totally legit.
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His post was about the elections
1188 is the best way to be free from the union’s stagnant position on actually improving working conditions.
I know it was. My point is, we use the same type of system to make sure every voice is heard elections or not (i actually do think our convention voting is more important than elections in this case). Natca elections are a joke anyway. If you don’t think there is a successor to Santa already in the works, you’re sadly mistaken.
What have they done to actually improve it? Protecting controllers who have no business doing this job? Nest system? NTI? Biggest joke it all…TRB?
The elections don’t use an electoral college system. So that’s why my post was most votes wins. And if the president doesn’t matter why is everyone bitching about the president? Nobody gets to actually pick a successor, there is still a vote. If the president has someone in mind to succeed him it doesn’t matter if someone else gets more votes.
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We all have sick days!A full-on Strike by UAW (United Auto Workers) cost the Automotive industry about a Billion dollars every 10-days. UAW has 146,000 members. So, after a 10-day strike Ford/GM/Stellantis could have given the members about a $3 raise per hour and it would have been equivalent to the cost of the strike.
1,000,000,000/146,000 = $6,849 per member = $3 an hour over 52 weeks.
The UAW strike is growing, again. What to know as 7,000 more auto workers join the union’s walkouts
The United Auto Workers strike against Detroit automakers has spread to dozens of facilites nationwide. And the walkouts are deepening.
I use that as a point of reference because the "U.S.A. Commercial Aviation" industry is worth $1.25 Trillion dollars yearly. This is only the commercial side of the industry and it makes up 5% of the entire USA GDP.
Impact | Airlines For America
If 100% of NATCA members had the ability to strike and was on strike for 1 day, it would cost $3,424,657,534 each day (UAW would need to strike for roughly 40 days to achieve the same economic impact but has about 10 times the members)
$3,424,657,534/12,500 (ATCs) = $273,972 Per Air Traffic Controller = $131 an hour over 52 weeks
We cannot legally strike, and I am not advocating for such. But doing the math on how much of an impact just 1 day would have on the entire US economy shows very simply how under paid we are.
let's not be on a "race to the bottom" in our industry. Some controllers undervalue their work and it is ridicules.
What Is the Race to the Bottom?
The race to the bottom refers to a firm's attempts to undercut competitor prices by sacrificing standards in areas such as quality, safety and wages.www.investopedia.com
I never said the President doesn’t matter, the elections in my opinion doesn’t matter. There is already grooming going on for the next president. I have seen it first hand of natca officials trying to get candidates taken off ballots just months before elections.
And in my opinion, the votes that affect us more is at the convention. Which is an electoral college type system.
We can change the constitution to be more like an electoral college. We already have a delegate (first 149 BUEs) and 1 additional delegate for every 50 members. All we have to do is use that same structure for national elections. Each local basically has "X" amount of delegates and there are local elections for each delegate and only those delegates submit actual votes for the national election.
Additionally, 2.9 Million AIRLINE passengers fly each DAY in the USA. If we lobbied congress for a tax of 1% duty on the cost of an airline tickets to be paid as a bonus to Air Traffic Controllers each quarter. That would result on average over 4 Billion dollars each year (average airline ticket is $382 so ticket prices would go on average to $385). Spread that out over 12,500 controllers and each controller would be making over 300K more then they currently are.A full-on Strike by UAW (United Auto Workers) cost the Automotive industry about a Billion dollars every 10-days. UAW has 146,000 members. So, after a 10-day strike Ford/GM/Stellantis could have given the members about a $3 raise per hour and it would have been equivalent to the cost of the strike.
1,000,000,000/146,000 = $6,849 per member = $3 an hour over 52 weeks.
The UAW strike is growing, again. What to know as 7,000 more auto workers join the union’s walkouts
The United Auto Workers strike against Detroit automakers has spread to dozens of facilites nationwide. And the walkouts are deepening.
I use that as a point of reference because the "U.S.A. Commercial Aviation" industry is worth $1.25 Trillion dollars yearly. This is only the commercial side of the industry and it makes up 5% of the entire USA GDP.
Impact | Airlines For America
If 100% of NATCA members had the ability to strike and was on strike for 1 day, it would cost $3,424,657,534 each day (UAW would need to strike for roughly 40 days to achieve the same economic impact but has about 10 times the members)
$3,424,657,534/12,500 (ATCs) = $273,972 Per Air Traffic Controller = $131 an hour over 52 weeks
We cannot legally strike, and I am not advocating for such. But doing the math on how much of an impact just 1 day would have on the entire US economy shows very simply how under paid we are.
let's not be on a "race to the bottom" in our industry. Some controllers undervalue their work and it is ridicules.
What Is the Race to the Bottom?
The race to the bottom refers to a firm's attempts to undercut competitor prices by sacrificing standards in areas such as quality, safety and wages.
Reddit is hilarious about that. There's a few people defending them saying, "they used their contacts across the nation to compile their own email list."
Yeah we got the regional ListServes from the RVPs so we didn't get caught pulling the national one
Even so, Wouldn't this simply perpetuate that the RVPs are giving out listserves and thus is any other member requested the regional list server and the RVP didn't give it to them than that would directly reflect that either they didn't give it to any other RVP.
Daniels and Jamal better find a way to counter it soon though. Do they even have a campaign Facebook page or anything? Santa and Devine are trying to run away with it before the other two get their voice out nationally.
