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If you thought N90 was washing people out to keep their OT before, imagine how bad it’ll be once every successful trainee meant an immediate 1% pay cut. Overnight the checkout rate across the whole NAS would drop close to zero. It’s a logical idea, but you’d have to tie it to total bodies in the facility, or checkouts plus washouts, or some other way that doesn’t incentivize washing people out.

Its funny how widely KNOWN it is that N90 maliciously washes people out and cooks the books, while simultaneously claiming to be ATC gods who do things no one else can do. One of the most successful scams in history.
 
Y’all see the new Mick video highlighting the ineffectiveness of the 1.6% and specifically outlining how it don’t keep up with GS raises lol? Remember the idiot here who claimed the 1.6% was there to match GS step increases, that we are ignorant for not understanding that, and that it was ironclad and would never change lol?

But I’ve come to my conclusion and fuck Mick and fuck Santa. They signed off and supported all that shit and not a word about it until they had election challenges. Unless we have a cumulative 18-20% raise by next July, get them the fuck out. They already saying prepare for a difficult and long term war. If so then they don’t get to lead it. Is he stealing weekend quotes from Netanyahu? #razwen?
 
GovTrack estimates the bill to increase the pay cap has a 1% chance of being enacted. Let’s wait on that though before pushing for raises.
 
Y’all see the new Mick video highlighting the ineffectiveness of the 1.6% and specifically outlining how it don’t keep up with GS raises lol? Remember the idiot here who claimed the 1.6% was there to match GS step increases, that we are ignorant for not understanding that, and that it was ironclad and would never change lol?

But I’ve come to my conclusion and fuck Mick and fuck Santa. They signed off and supported all that shit and not a word about it until they had election challenges. Unless we have a cumulative 18-20% raise by next July, get them the fuck out. They already saying prepare for a difficult and long term war. If so then they don’t get to lead it. Is he stealing weekend quotes from Netanyahu? #razwen?
GS step increases occur more quickly early on and much more slowly later on, compared to ours being the same amount every year the whole time. In the end, everyone is at the top of the band, so saying our 1.6 doesn't "keep up" with GS raises isn't really correct. More heavily weighting the front end gets more mid-band money in your pocket sooner, though, which is nice.
kinda curious to see a graph comparing the two percentage-wise over the 20 year period.
 
GovTrack estimates the bill to increase the pay cap has a 1% chance of being enacted.
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GS step increases occur more quickly early on and much more slowly later on, compared to ours being the same amount every year the whole time. In the end, everyone is at the top of the band, so saying our 1.6 doesn't "keep up" with GS raises isn't really correct. More heavily weighting the front end gets more mid-band money in your pocket sooner, though, which is nice.
kinda curious to see a graph comparing the two percentage-wise over the 20 year period.
The 1.6% isn't applicable to level upgrades or transfers to larger facilities. If you're "stuck" at a lower level facility for years it is entirely plausible you'd never come close to touching the top of your final pay band even if you have decades of government service.
 
GovTrack estimates the bill to increase the pay cap has a 1% chance of being enacted. Let’s wait on that though before pushing for raises.
You serious? People at the cap on base pay are making enough. It should be a privilege to be there. Anyone complaining they can’t raise the cap before getting anyone under it a raise can go fuck themselves.

The 1.6% isn't applicable to level upgrades or transfers to larger facilities. If you're "stuck" at a lower level facility for years it is entirely plausible you'd never come close to touching the top of your final pay band even if you have decades of government service.
Been at same facility going on 16 years….was in 6 band and then downgraded to a 5. It’s looking like it will take 17 years to hit the top with a downgrade on there. If stayed the same level then probably looking at 20+ years
 
You serious? People at the cap on base pay are making enough. It should be a privilege to be there. Anyone complaining they can’t raise the cap before getting anyone under it a raise can go fuck themselves.
I think you missed the point of my post. I don’t think we should wait for a cap raise either if it has no chance of passing.
 
The 1.6% isn't applicable to level upgrades or transfers to larger facilities. If you're "stuck" at a lower level facility for years it is entirely plausible you'd never come close to touching the top of your final pay band even if you have decades of government service.
This is an entirely different topic from what I was talking about, but yes we need to be able to keep our relative positions in the pay band when changing facility levels.
 
Here we go with this “I’m at a level 5 where I work 3 planes a day and I deserve more money, but the 10-12 controllers don’t” shit again
I always hear about these low level facilities that work tons of traffic and are underpaid and wonder if they are the exception not the rule. I live by a level 4 and they work 5 planes a day so why should they make more?
 
I always hear about these low level facilities that work tons of traffic and are underpaid and wonder if they are the exception not the rule. I live by a level 4 and they work 5 planes a day so why should they make more?
Everyone should make more. If one of us gets an increase in pay, everyone should. There is nothing wrong with wanting everyone to get paid more for our job.
 
I always hear about these low level facilities that work tons of traffic and are underpaid and wonder if they are the exception not the rule. I live by a level 4 and they work 5 planes a day so why should they make more?
Because they are still: responsible for people's lives on a daily basis, forced to be at work and medically capable of working for 40+ hours every week, and often have more TOP than busier facilities. Many people in low level facilities would like to be somewhere else but cannot transfer due to the current process. So we have a system where a new hire can make 170k+ in 3 years but some experienced controllers can barely break 100k in 10 years. "In solidarity" means that you can understand this struggle that another person is in and you're willing to accept a bit of compromise to ensure they're also treated right.

Nobody is saying bumfuck nowhere level five should make MORE than a busy core 30 airport. What has happened after 20 years of income based raises (1.5% of 50k vs 1.5% of 150k), is the income gap has widened. Those who make a lot can still afford to live comfortably and those at low level facilities cannot. Everyone has less buying power right now than 10 years ago, but it is obviously worse for those in lower pay bands.
 
Let’s get a big raise and see what compression at the top of the salary cap does. There is no leverage right now to negotiate higher pay.
 
My brother in Christmas, if 200k a year isn't enough to be comfortable, then maybe you should look at your spending. And even if that weren't ridiculous, consider your coworkers making half of that... worry about them being able to live at all instead of yourself buying a third jetski to take over to your second home on the lake.
 
My brother in Christmas, if 200k a year isn't enough to be comfortable, then maybe you should look at your spending. And even if that weren't ridiculous, consider your coworkers making half of that... worry about them being able to live at all instead of yourself buying a third jetski to take over to your second home on the lake.
My guy, have you not been paying attention to inflation? The tenants in my 5th rental home can barely afford Scott's single-ply after paying rent.
 
Because they are still: responsible for people's lives on a daily basis, forced to be at work and medically capable of working for 40+ hours every week, and often have more TOP than busier facilities. Many people in low level facilities would like to be somewhere else but cannot transfer due to the current process. So we have a system where a new hire can make 170k+ in 3 years but some experienced controllers can barely break 100k in 10 years.

Nobody is saying bumfuck nowhere level five should make MORE than a busy core 30 airport. What has happened after 20 years of income based raises (1.5% of 50k vs 1.5% of 150k), is the income gap has widened. Those who make a lot can still afford to live comfortably and those at low level facilities cannot. Everyone has less buying power right now than 10 years ago, but it is obviously worse for those in lower pay bands.
This ^^ My level 5 might not run O'Hare levels of volume but we don't sit on our asses all day either. We are: still responsible for peoples lives, working more positions combined, work a 24 hr facility, have to protect bravo airspace, deal with winter ops, crappy schedules, training, the FAA, whatever BS sequence Tracon feels like dumping on us, etc. All of which is made better by the fact that we work an airfield that had one of the first paved runways in the U.S. so it's shoved in the middle of built up residential areas, none of the runway/ taxiway spacing is technically legal, there are no run-up areas, there's tower blind spots, and whatever ancient nav and lighting equipment we do still have that works the agency is actively working to decommission. And yes, we do spend more TOP than most of the big houses. Some days there is just a "clusterfuck" factor at a place like this that can't be replicated at a 10-12. We're all in this together.

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This ^^ My level 5 might not run O'Hare levels of volume but we don't sit on our asses all day either. We are: still responsible for peoples lives, working more positions combined, work a 24 hr facility, have to protect bravo airspace, deal with winter ops, crappy schedules, training, the FAA, whatever BS sequence Tracon feels like dumping on us, etc. All of which is made better by the fact that we work an airfield that had one of the first paved runways in the U.S. so it's shoved in the middle of built up residential areas, none of the runway/ taxiway spacing is technically legal, there are no run-up areas, there's tower blind spots, and whatever ancient nav and lighting equipment we do still have that works the agency is actively working to decommission. And yes, we do spend more TOP than most of the big houses. Some days there is just a "clusterfuck" factor at a place like this that can't be replicated at a 10-12. We're all in this together.

-Thanks for attending my TED Talk
Work a red sector with some gate swaps and massive weather deviations with severe turbulence and let’s chat about clusterfucks. The low level facilities do have their own challenges and stress periods, but objectively there is less traffic.
 
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