I think for the theoretical $400k, I could wait it out on AG pay for 3 years. No one joins this career field or only stays in this field for developmental pay.
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Pilots pay $100k for training and barely make minimum wage as instructors or survey etc to build the time over a few years to get to a regional making under $100k all for the goal of getting to a major and making bank. I don’t think many would mind making AG-D3 if they had $400k to look forward to.
Well my real world friends all assume I make 400k until I say otherwise.
People that have any clue what this job does always say we make a lot and then when I tell them how much I make they don't understand why we don't make what major airline pilots make because of what's at stake with this job
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I always chuckle when I try to explain to my friends how it’s bullshit I only got 4 30 minute breaks one day
I mean, you're right I have basically no friends (I occasionally spend time with my roommate, or with a former coworker from another facility). After work/commute, I don't have the energy or time for much else except to spend time with my wife.
Anyway, here's the lens I view things from: I got hired and anticipated 120K by the time I was CPC. At the time there was a house I was eyeing in a different state that was an absolute dream. At 600K, it would've still been a bit of a stretch, but whatever. I thought maybe I'd certify, transfer, maybe go into management for a pay bump, buy the house.
Well, I didn't certify at that first facility. So I worked my way back up to a middle ground facility, and last year with OT cleared over 210K. People at that same first facility maybe clear 250K if they work as much OT as I do.
The house... well it sold last year for 1.9M.
So my "context" is I got hired to a career so valuable that we could potentially buy homes worth 1.9M.
On a more local level home prices have doubled in the last 5-10 years. My local dream home would be practical for me to purchase if it was still 2019. Or, you know, if I was making 400K. (And TBF I'm not even suggesting I should get 400K... but maybe the high levels should).
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You may have a point there, but at the same time this is the reality for pilots. Food for thought anyway.
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At the current pay rates, sure. If CPCs were paid like pilots and had 12-15+ days off a month, we could have trainees do unpaid apprenticeships while training and people would be beating down the door for this job. But with level 12 CPCs making 40% of what legacy captains make, lack of flexibility in location, and a overall low quality of life, it's no surprise that it's hard to recruit and retain good employees.
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Wrong as usual. major airline captains sure but regional
Pilots certainly not
As spirit airlines furloughs pilots lol
Something I've learned from your replies is that it isn't humanly possible to compose an argument that you won't say 'nobody gives a shit'. They drop us to minimum wage, people like you will be along to say 'well yeah, we work in air conditioned buildings, not in the fields.'
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Spirit just went through fucking bankruptcy. I’m talking about the SkyWest and compass and those other ones. Nick just resign bro this isn’t for you
Doubt anyone at N90 is making 400k a year
Wrong as usual
Not really. The only people that could possibly make close to that are the PHL controllers that made the move from N90 and are getting crazy per diem and bonuses due to the forced move.
If there is anyone actually at N90 getting close to 400k it has to be someone with 20 years in that's capped out and working 60hrs a week every single week. Even then idk that it's possible to get to 400k
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For an example: We got a guy capped out and worked a little over 500 hours OT last year and made 320k. 400k would be exactly what you said and taking no leave. Ain’t nobody doin that.
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