Biden Endorsement

[FightingIrish2012]

I’m not going to obsess over it, but I wanted to create a new thread so the topic don’t hijack other threads created for something else.

I don’t understand the endorsement this soon and I hate it. NATCA already blew the chance to negotiate a contract with him. The “rank and file” membership don’t seem to support it as evidenced by 2/3 of the button comments on the Facebook post are laughs or dislikes. And lots of the 1/3 “likes” and “loves” for the post are old retired fucks, people not in the FAA, or regional NATCA leaders. That’s why they would never dream of having all member vote as to who the union should endorse.

I think this will hurt NATCA trying to get to the $10 Million PAC goal. They will get a fake bump in a couple weeks when they brow beat Fac Reps to increase their contribution to $50 a pay period or even the max at convention, but I think others will cut their contribution and balance that out.

 

[Unable is a full sentence]

Hi, let me introduce you to labor unions in the US.

 

[NightWatch]

It’s all so confusing. Granted things are somewhat early on, but NATCA has basically endorsed someone who is behind in the polls, is not yet endorsed for candidacy by the DNC and nixxed over 11,000 Union jobs his first week in office. I know it’s always been a union tradition voting blue but I’m rather shocked that any labor union would endorse a democrat at this point.

 

[32andBelow]

You don’t understand why natca went with the party that doesn’t want to cut federal employee pay and benefits? You can’t figure it out? Feds supporting republicans is like buying the bullets for your own execution

House Republican plan seeks end to ‘automatic’ federal pay raises, cut workforce benefits

Several House Republicans are calling on their colleagues to push for cuts to federal employees' pay and benefits, as lawmakers advance spending bills for fiscal 2024.

federalnewsnetwork.com

 

[N90-EWR]

You don’t understand why natca went with the party that doesn’t want to cut federal employee pay and benefits? You can’t figure it out? Feds supporting republicans is like buying the bullets for your own execution

House Republican plan seeks end to ‘automatic’ federal pay raises, cut workforce benefits

Several House Republicans are calling on their colleagues to push for cuts to federal employees' pay and benefits, as lawmakers advance spending bills for fiscal 2024.

federalnewsnetwork.com

Unfortunately this is true! I despise Biden! He's already senile and getting worse and worse by the day. Definitely not fit to be president for another term. Having said that, as much as I disagree with most of the Democrats policies regarding the economy and immigration, when it comes to protecting Federal employees salaries and benefits they're the best option.

 

[Horny4.65]

Who remembered the #BLM✊🏾 shirts?

Yet, it’s surprising NATCA endorsed Biden?

 

[AB19]

Yeah natca should endorse the people saying they want to cut our pay

 

[CoffeeIV]

Name a candidate they should endorse.

 

[GulfCharlie]

Name a candidate they should endorse.

None, they should just stay neutral.

 

[Atc12345]

None, they should just stay neutral.

Have they endorsed a president before or have I just not been paying attention? I feel they’ve always leaned heavily into one side but never actually endorsed a candidate.

 

[32andBelow]

None, they should just stay neutral.

Why? The members should be informed that one party is literally trying to cut their pay

 

[asdfgh]

Have they endorsed a president before or have I just not been paying attention? I feel they’ve always leaned heavily into one side but never actually endorsed a candidate.

Yes. They endorsed (at least) Kerry, Obama x2, and Clinton. The current endorsement is only notable for being early.

 

[GulfCharlie]

Why? The members should be informed that one party is literally trying to cut their pay

I did not disagree with that, but again in a politically charged climate leave it to the membership to make their own choices. They should also know our brothers in the railroad industry just got the white book equivalent shoved down their throats.

 

[CoffeeIV]

None, they should just stay neutral.

Yeah, don't support anyone and be a silent nobody that no one wants to help because you didn't provide support. No wonder you support the libertarians, worthless party filled with useless people that don't want to actually do something.


First They Came for the Jews
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me --

 

[TimShady]

Federal Employee Unions Endorse Biden for Reelection

Labor leaders described President Biden as “the most labor-friendly president in history.”

www.govexec.com

From the article:

In a statement, AFGE National President Everett Kelley said the union conducted multiple polls of its membership, as well as a telephonic town hall with more than 20,000 members. Following those steps, AFGE’s national executive council voted unanimously to endorse Biden again.

“During his first term, President Biden has proven himself to be the most labor-friendly president in history,” Kelley said. “The results of our endorsement process show that he is the overwhelming choice of AFGE members. It’s not hard to see why.”


I think this helps illustrate the lack of transparency with NATCA leadership. They do whatever they want and then send out a surprise email to the membership celebrating what they did. Obviously endorsing Biden doesn’t come as a shock, but it’s odd they didn’t endorse anyone last cycle and now they did this early and with no input from the members like other unions apparently do.

 

[GulfCharlie]

Yeah, don't support anyone and be a silent nobody that no one wants to help because you didn't provide support. No wonder you support the libertarians, worthless party filled with useless people that don't want to actually do something.


First They Came for the Jews
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out --
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me --

Neimöller’s words are quite the stretch in this situation. I said leave the choice up to the individual members. Urging caution and restraint before having another white book shoved down our throats like controllers before us or our railroad brethren is always on my mind. On a personal note I have more cause than most to hate Bolsheviks and National Socialists.

 

[32andBelow]

I did not disagree with that, but again in a politically charged climate leave it to the membership to make their own choices. They should also know our brothers in the railroad industry just got the white book equivalent shoved down their throats.

The members have their own choice. I know that half the natca members are going to vote against their best interest anyways. You guys are really clinging on to this railroad thing but ignore the actual legislation republicans are voting on.

We can’t strike. The railroad thing is irrelevant.

 

[GulfCharlie]

The members have their own choice. I know that half the natca members are going to vote against their best interest anyways. You guys are really clinging on to this railroad thing but ignore the actual legislation republicans are voting on.

We can’t strike. The railroad thing is irrelevant.

It's a common occurrence that people, including our brothers and sisters, may vote against their best interest. This happens across ALL political spectrums and will be debated until the end of time. It is a matter of individuals prioritizing some interests over others, or perhaps not being fully aware of the implications of certain policies, in the end they have a choice just like you do. Most of the membership are not single issue voters, I am not justifying the way they vote but when I vote I tend to try to think (I am not claiming to be perfect) of the country as a whole, but if you tell people to vote solely based off their jobs then you are continuing a similar culture of fear that the NEB perpetuates when they make decisions and bully people into supporting them while not consulting the membership.

I am aware of the legislation the Republicans are voting on, but I will not vote for someone based on a single issue because to do so is to display a supreme ignorance. In Pavlov's experiment, the dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell due to its association with food. In single-issue voting, voters are often conditioned to respond to a specific issue or policy that resonates with them emotionally or personally, to the extent that it becomes the deciding factor for their vote, akin to the bell stimulus in Pavlov's experiment. If you decide who to vote for based off one issue, well... that is your choice. but it is not nor will it ever be mine.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

The members have their own choice. I know that half the natca members are going to vote against their best interest anyways. You guys are really clinging on to this railroad thing but ignore the actual legislation republicans are voting on.

We can’t strike. The railroad thing is irrelevant.

I think the people who are voting against Biden are factoring in everything outside of their job too and calculate that is the better decision. If the only thing in the equation was the air traffic job, maybe everyone votes for the Dems (though the Dems controlling all three houses did result in any better of a CBA), but when people factor in the inflation, economic and energy policy, foreign policy, some people's values, etc.... most members are going to be voting red.

 

[CoffeeIV]

I think the people who are voting against Biden are factoring in everything outside of their job too and calculate that is the better decision. If the only thing in the equation was the air traffic job, maybe everyone votes for the Dems (though the Dems controlling all three houses did result in any better of a CBA), but when people factor in the inflation, economic and energy policy, foreign policy, some people's values, etc.... most members are going to be voting red.

Most members aren't voting red. Just like most Americans don't and Republicans depend on the electoral college and not majority votes.

I'm just going to put you on ignore because you're clearly a retard.

Energy - Biden is trying to get us off OPEC dependence but you want it for some reason. As well as solidifying electric car manufacturing and battery manufacturing in the US and not other countries.

Inflation/Economic - Bush crashed the economy. Clinton and Obama both had historically great economies and return in the market. Trump crashed it again. Biden has pulled us out of the dumpster fire Trump put the economy in.

Peoples values - a nice way to say if you ain't white you ain't right. Trying to force Christianity on others. Trying to limit minorities from voting. Trying to kill trans people by limiting any healthcare they can receive. Trying to stop gay marriage. All things Republicans have pushed in the past 20 years. But you're preachers and priests will go diddle kids and you won't say shit. School shootings nonstop because you have no morals and refuse to do anything because you like guns.