N90 (Newark Area) to PHL FOIA's

[ChuckNovember]

All you have to do is pass tetra and withdraw when you show up and you get a nice list of 8s and below. Nice system.

wish I had known about it sooner!

 

[DankVectorz]

Wahhhhhh I’m a grumpy old guy and I don’t like when other people get things wahhhhhhhhh

Not when that takes spots away from people who intended to stay and maybe one day I could get 2 days off in a row ?‍♂️

 

[Jake Sully]

Most people don’t plan to wash or withdraw, they give it an honest chance and most realize they don’t want to work 60 hrs a week in a toxic environment the rest of their careers while paying 750k for a 900 sq ft home next to a garbage incinerator.

Ewr area too stubborn to realize the phl move is a golden ticket

 

[DankVectorz]

Ewr area too stubborn to realize the phl move is a golden ticket

There’s about half of us who are willing/want to go. Most withdrew their name because they felt the offer from the FAA was insulting. But I agree it’s a golden ticket. Aside from just getting off LI, according to Santa of the 200+ people who applied to the PHL bid around 70 are from other 10-12 tracons. I’d be willing to bet we could certify at least half of them within 2 years and be able to err within 2-4 years. PHL is a stepping stone. But again, we all agree that forcing people to move or TDY for 2 years is fucked.

 

[Top5fatcat]

Will this lawsuit be class action? I need more stimmy!

 

[Wizard]

There’s about half of us who are willing/want to go. Most withdrew their name because they felt the offer from the FAA was insulting. But I agree it’s a golden ticket. Aside from just getting off LI, according to Santa of the 200+ people who applied to the PHL bid around 70 are from other 10-12 tracons. I’d be willing to bet we could certify at least half of them within 2 years and be able to err within 2-4 years. PHL is a stepping stone. But again, we all agree that forcing people to move or TDY for 2 years is fucked.

Downgrade PHL!

 

[I.DO.VEHCTAHS]

I think it can be at certain facilities.
Someone hired in 2018 waiting to start d school and having to bartend for years might disagree.

And I don't want to hear any shit about shutdowns or Rona because other agencies were still able to continue training, okc kept running, my flm was training another flm on desk stuff.

For those of us that were checked out and definitely didn't go to Disneyland on our 10 off-yeah great job BUT we didn't even try for hazard pay, we didn't even try to get in the Frontline heroes act or whatever (congress gave extra money to employees that had to work), we didn't even try to get backpay for the trainees that are just now training.

Yeah rona sucked for trainees. Still a good job no matter how you slice it. No one…and I mean NO ONE I work with would make this kind of cash outside of the FAA.

We can stop blaming rona now though. Although…for all the trainees that came back to train after months off and didn’t know their shit? C’moooooon.

It was a goat fuck, no doubt though

No. NEST MOU says that a withdrawal constitutes a list of no more than 5 facilities, if you get retained. I’ve heard of one withdrawal and that’s exactly what happened (list of 5) but the lists were small at the time so it’s hard to verify it. Rest of his panel did have 2-3 extra facilities on their list.

Which is why they waste our time in the labs or on the floor and THEN tell the supe that’s “I want to withdraw but I can’t so I need to fail a checkride”

 

[ManBearPig]

There’s about half of us who are willing/want to go. Most withdrew their name because they felt the offer from the FAA was insulting. But I agree it’s a golden ticket. Aside from just getting off LI, according to Santa of the 200+ people who applied to the PHL bid around 70 are from other 10-12 tracons. I’d be willing to bet we could certify at least half of them within 2 years and be able to err within 2-4 years. PHL is a stepping stone. But again, we all agree that forcing people to move or TDY for 2 years is fucked.

What was the offer?

 

[DankVectorz]

What was the offer?

$10k then $25k

 

[FightingIrish2012]

$10k then $25k

In move money? I don’t think it should be 200K but yeah, if that’s all that was offered I’m glad lots of people withdrew as a fuck you to the FAA.

 

[slater]

What about kids & spouses? Should be more than comfortable overall.

 

[AB19]

In move money? I don’t think it should be 200K but yeah, if that’s all that was offered I’m glad lots of people withdrew as a fuck you to the FAA.

Legit less than you get making the voluntary move to C90 or N90

 

[ConvergingCourses]

Yeah rona sucked for trainees. Still a good job no matter how you slice it. No one…and I mean NO ONE I work with would make this kind of cash outside of the FAA.

We can stop blaming rona now though. Although…for all the trainees that came back to train after months off and didn’t know their shit? C’moooooon.

It was a goat fuck, no doubt though


Which is why they waste our time in the labs or on the floor and THEN tell the supe that’s “I want to withdraw but I can’t so I need to fail a checkride”

Blame the game, not the player. It’s the system. Flawed like many other things the FAA puts together unfortunately.

 

[DankVectorz]

In move money? I don’t think it should be 200K but yeah, if that’s all that was offered I’m glad lots of people withdrew as a fuck you to the FAA.

No, that was bonus money. You also got non-vol PCS money. But considering back in early 2000’s the FAA paid people $100k to COME to N90, seems fair they at least match that to get us to leave

 

[I.DO.VEHCTAHS]

Blame the game, not the player. It’s the system. Flawed like many other things the FAA puts together unfortunately.

Agree to disagree…but perhaps that’s exactly why people who don’t work at N90 should quit talking shit. 99% of those who do run their mouth have never set foot inside the control floor for a tour never mind dropped their paper work. So maybe THEY should blame the game/players and not be so goddamn whiny about NATCA/FAA’s attempts to attract people to take the job.

 

[ConvergingCourses]

Agree to disagree…but perhaps that’s exactly why people who don’t work at N90 should quit talking shit. 99% of those who do run their mouth have never set foot inside the control floor for a tour never mind dropped their paper work. So maybe THEY should blame the game/players and not be so goddamn whiny about NATCA/FAA’s attempts to attract people to take the job.

Money seems to be the FAA’s only solution. You seem angry. I give it 5-10 years and I’ll probably be there as well. I’m early. Then again, my area isn’t being fucked with after being told it’s a bad idea.

 

[I.DO.VEHCTAHS]

Money seems to be the FAA’s only solution. You seem angry. I give it 5-10 years and I’ll probably be there as well. I’m early. Then again, my area isn’t being fucked with after being told it’s a bad idea.

Angry…nah. Just telling it like it is. People tend to ignore the truth when it comes to N90 - including Santa, Paul, trish, Dean

 

[ConvergingCourses]

Angry…nah. Just telling it like it is. People tend to ignore the truth when it comes to N90 - including Santa, Paul, trish, Dean

No lies told there

 

[inthrewtheoutdor]

Chuck

 

[Bandit117]

Chuck

Now it’s political and now the faa is fucked. 804 requires them to report to Congress and Congress doesn’t like being bypassed.

Westbury air traffic controllers upset over FAA relocation plan

"It's really weighed heavily on us, and we have to make a decision, what's best for our family going forward. Ultimately, leaving Long Island is a non-starter," said one Westbury air traffic controller who was told last month of his relocation by the FAA.

www.newsday.com

Watch the video, it’s so fucking savage. Schumer gave a press conference in front of N90 saying that the faa broke a promise to him they made in 2020. He says the White House asks him for things almost everyday, and now he’s going to ask them for something to keep people on Long Island.