NATCA leadership on those leaving the union

[32andBelow]

Tis the most exciting tiime of year to be a member ?

How many affairs will be started this week at NATCA Christmas parties? ? And dont let your rep tell you u cant, this is still America. the biggest assholes at work are usually the biggest cucks at home

You guys are still getting Christmas parties?

 

[N737ER]

You guys are still getting Christmas parties?

Some places (maybe a few?) are still trying to spend the rest of the money they banked during covid

 

[Phillytroll69]

We would never have gotten privatized

But it's definitely going to happen so we need a seat at the table.

Pretty much. We looked good for the guy and his buddies but didn't get privatized. I call that a win.

I mean their may be a small handful of members that partially feel sold out when there's all this talk about how we're only going to do it because it's DEFINITELY going to happen and we need a seat at the table.

I personally feel like it just fizzled out after this huge push and what? There wasn't an email or anything about it ending.

Congress guaranteed paid for furloughed government employees during a shutdown, not just the faa, so I doubt they'll ever have another free leave, I mean furlough, time again.

Being initially left out of the paid parental leave act causes me some doubts as well. Maybe I should donate more to the pac

 

[ChuckNovember]

Please, I'm very interested.

What does "woke" mean?

God the righties are really beating “woke” to death.

 

[Kramer]

You guys are still getting Christmas parties?

9 years in, never heard of a Christmas party at my facilities

 

[DankVectorz]

9 years in, never heard of a Christmas party at my facilities

We had one my first year but there were 2 fights so that was the end of them.

 

[CoffeeIV]

9 years in, never heard of a Christmas party at my facilities

We had one my first year but there were 2 fights so that was the end of them.

My last facility used to have one and a lot of the old retirees would come . I think we had some incidents and that basically ended it. Usually it was just a pot luck or something with Tech Ops.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

We had one my first year but there were 2 fights so that was the end of them.

Is that the one where the trainee knocked out his asshole trainer and gained so much respect he got checked out?

 

[DankVectorz]

Is that the one where the trainee knocked out his asshole trainer and gained so much respect he got checked out?

Probably, but the story’s clearly been twisted because it wasn’t his trainer. But he did check out.

 

[AB19]

Probably, but the story’s clearly been twisted because it wasn’t his trainer. But he did check out.

Tell HR to pick me up so we can box at christmas

 

[DankVectorz]

Tell HR to pick me up so we can box at christmas

Man that Philly shit ain’t happening

 

[AB19]

Man that Philly shit ain’t happening

I know I’m talking about N90 I didn’t do a tour there for no reason

 

[Smitty]

Collaboration is Collusion.

 

[CaptainObvious]

You've brought up what you see as a problem. Before addressing that, we should think critically for a moment. Just because there is a problem, does that necessarily mean that privatization is the only solution to that problem?

Your problem: Regional FOs get paid more per flight hour than low level facilities in the FAA.

That's awesome for them. They also only get paid for every hour the airplane is flying. Do you want to only get paid your hourly wage only when you work traffic? They don't get a pension. They are usually 50k in debt because they have to pay for their own training. Also, they were hugely UNDERPAID for literal decades before this. The companies that are now paying them what they deserve (for the time being) only did so after there was no other option.

I think if you went through my post history you’d find I was one of the most vehemently opposed to privatization.

 

[Soul_Controller]

I think if you went through my post history you’d find I was one of the most vehemently opposed to privatization.

There's two recent examples of NATCA hedging their bets correctly.

Privatization of too big to fail monopolies is obviously bad policy, especially in retrospect (covid) but believing politics are practical is little kid shit. 9/11 also proved ATC privatization was a bad idea for the taxpayer and flying public, but it never killed the idea. Supporting privatization was a way get the most out of the worst case scenario. And the worst case scenario happened! Republican president and a privatization proposal. Being against privatization wouldn't have magically stopped that. But it got us in good with Trump.

The second is extending the contract. We didn't negotiate with the Biden admin and kept what we have. Currently the administration is imposing work rules on another union during a contract dispute. What would have made us more special?

 

[AB19]

Maybe one day we’ll have a party that’s for the workers. I wish Biden was the socialist that certain people claimed he was

 

[32andBelow]

There's two recent examples of NATCA hedging their bets correctly.

Privatization of too big to fail monopolies is obviously bad policy, especially in retrospect (covid) but believing politics are practical is little kid shit. 9/11 also proved ATC privatization was a bad idea for the taxpayer and flying public, but it never killed the idea. Supporting privatization was a way get the most out of the worst case scenario. And the worst case scenario happened! Republican president and a privatization proposal. Being against privatization wouldn't have magically stopped that. But it got us in good with Trump.

The second is extending the contract. We didn't negotiate with the Biden admin and kept what we have. Currently the administration is imposing work rules on another union during a contract dispute. What would have made us more special?

This is the worst take ever. The Biden administration imposed a 24% raise on that union. No need to try to gaslight us about NATCAs bad decision. So what’s the game plan? Extend this contract forever? Try to negotiate with a possible republicans administration?

 

[ManBearPig]

This is the worst take ever. The Biden administration imposed a 24% raise on that union. No need to try to gaslight us about NATCAs bad decision. So what’s the game plan? Extend this contract forever? Try to negotiate with a possible republicans administration?

The game plan is most likely to extend again if it looks like Biden will/does lose.

 

[CaptainObvious]

The game plan is most likely to extend again if it looks like Biden will/does lose.

And as I’ve said before, what makes it a guarantee that the agency allows that

 

[Soul_Controller]

This is the worst take ever. The Biden administration imposed a 24% raise on that union. No need to try to gaslight us about NATCAs bad decision. So what’s the game plan? Extend this contract forever? Try to negotiate with a possible republicans administration?

Its 24 percent over five years, so 4.8 percent a year (which is less than ATC for this year or next year). Also it's a contract that they rejected.