ManBearPig
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Not gonna quote stuff, but doing an extension of the slate book was the right move. Shit wasn't going to get better for us by opening the contract up for negotiation. It was saved NATCA a shit ton of money.
Yeah this is what we’re told, specially the people who ask or are actively involved in local/national stuff. The real issue is all the other members (read the majority) that sort of sat here and got told “Yeap contract is extended. You’re welcome!” I wish they would have at least gave an explanation of their decision process in some sort of national email. Sure some people would have been upset still, but at least all of paying due members would be in the knowNot gonna quote stuff, but doing an extension of the slate book was the right move. Shit wasn't going to get better for us by opening the contract up for negotiation. It was saved NATCA a shit ton of money.
Not gonna quote stuff, but doing an extension of the slate book was the right move. Shit wasn't going to get better for us by opening the contract up for negotiation. It was saved NATCA a shit ton of money.
Yeah this is what we’re told, specially the people who ask or are actively involved in local/national stuff. The real issue is all the other members (read the majority) that sort of sat here and got told “Yeap contract is extended. You’re welcome!” I wish they would have at least gave an explanation of their decision process in some sort of national email. Sure some people would have been upset still, but at least all of paying due members would be in the know
I'm split on this. On one hand, yeah we should get a say. On the other, it's difficult to give membership all the information they need to make a rational decision. Remember, we work with a lot of idiots.It's the decision to do it without the input of the membership that is a sticking point for myself and many others. If we had to vote to ratify, we should have to vote to extend. National could give us their recommendation, but it shouldn't be their decision to extend, it should be a national vote of all membership.
What else were they going to spend our money and dues on? Travel, food, parties, booze? Going away gifts for Paul and Trish? What’s the plan for 2024 in another election year? Renew again to get through that administration. Writing is on the walls for the long term future.Not gonna quote stuff, but doing an extension of the slate book was the right move. Shit wasn't going to get better for us by opening the contract up for negotiation. It was saved NATCA a shit ton of money.
From what I have heard, that's basically the plan. If it looks like an unfriendly administration will be elected, get an extension.What else were they going to spend our money and dues on? Travel, food, parties, booze? Going away gifts for Paul and Trish? What’s the plan for 2024 in another election year? Renew again to get through that administration. Writing is on the walls for the long term future.
I'm split on this. On one hand, yeah we should get a say. On the other, it's difficult to give membership all the information they need to make a rational decision. Remember, we work with a lot of idiots.
If all we are paying for is correcting pronouns and no significant changes are happening to the contract that’s benefiting the members then what’s the point in the union? Continue status quo forever. It has gotten so big and representing far beyond ATCS that they are out of touch on a lot ofFrom what I have heard, that's basically the plan. If it looks like an unfriendly administration will be elected, get an extension.
When NATCA went to negotiate the slate book, the Obama administration's opening pay scale was basically the white book pay scale. It doesn't matter what party is in charge, FAA management doesn't like us.
I'm split on this. On one hand, yeah we should get a say. On the other, it's difficult to give membership all the information they need to make a rational decision. Remember, we work with a lot of idiots.
From what I have heard, that's basically the plan. If it looks like an unfriendly administration will be elected, get an extension.
When NATCA went to negotiate the slate book, the Obama administration's opening pay scale was basically the white book pay scale. It doesn't matter what party is in charge, FAA management doesn't like us.
Not original poster, but you can absolutely think (ideally) the government (as an extension of the American populace) should do things in the interest of it's constituency, and at the same time recognize that same government, (as an employer) may not always do things in the interest of an individual, along with middle and lower management issues being far removed from the FAA being a gov entity in regards to the gov's responsibility to it's people.I don't understand how you're so pro big government and always advocate for the government to have more power but also don't trust that the government will treat you well if union isn't there to look out for you
They’re gonna extend the contract two years before it expires? 2026 is the end of the extension. It’s going to be very interesting.We'll see how people feel about the extension next election. Lotta smart political junkies say 2024 is gonne be a realllly shitty year to be a democrat
Yeah this is what we’re told, specially the people who ask or are actively involved in local/national stuff. The real issue is all the other members (read the majority) that sort of sat here and got told “Yeap contract is extended. You’re welcome!” I wish they would have at least gave an explanation of their decision process in some sort of national email. Sure some people would have been upset still, but at least all of paying due members would be in the know
Voting to extend or not extend is a little different. By voting to not extend, you are essentially voting for an unknown contract. It could be the white book, or it could be the green book. Voting for a specific contract, you have a tangible starting point for additional negotiations if it is voted down. Slate book is pretty damned good. It could be better, but I would have voted to extend, if asked.Using your logic, a vote on ratifying the Slate book in the first place shouldn’t have happened because of that very reason. If we can vote to ratify, we should be able to vote to extend.
First time I’ve heard that. This kind of defeats any argument NATCA makes to vote in a supposed labor friendly administration, then.
Basically all other unions ratify their contract. Pilots, flight attendants, grocery store workers, retail workers, auto workers, they all have votesI'm split on this. On one hand, yeah we should get a say. On the other, it's difficult to give membership all the information they need to make a rational decision. Remember, we work with a lot of idiots.
Any more info?Extremely mixed messaging on "the ask". Supposed to be a training event, but less training than years past.
But privatisation is too big an issue to trust to the membership, only the NEB should make that decision… /roll eyes…Basically all other unions ratify their contract. Pilots, flight attendants, grocery store workers, retail workers, auto workers, they all have votes
Contract negotiations are extremely expensive. Imagine how mad all the trolls would be if we spent a million dollars on a new contract that was anywhere from worse to not much better.What else were they going to spend our money and dues on? Travel, food, parties, booze? Going away gifts for Paul and Trish? What’s the plan for 2024 in another election year? Renew again to get through that administration. Writing is on the walls for the long term future.
It could be worse so we better not dare hope or try! That’s a philosophy to live by if I ever heard oneContract negotiations are extremely expensive. Imagine how mad all the trolls would be if we spent a million dollars on a new contract that was anywhere from worse to not much better.
No dues were spent on going away gifts.
Travel, food, parties and booz are easy buzz words buts it’s really your leadership team traveling away from family to meet the membership in person. Would we rather they didn’t make themselves available in person?
Just playing devil's advocate here, and I underlined/bolded part of your post myself.Travel, food, parties and booz are easy buzz words buts it’s really your leadership team traveling away from family to meet the membership in person. Would we rather they didn’t make themselves available in person?
Ironically, within the last year Santa has been to the center I left and the center I’m at. But I can’t remember anyone outside of the region visiting during my first 14 years.Just playing devil's advocate here, and I underlined/bolded part of your post myself.
I'm a third of the way through my career, and I've spent equal time at both facilities I've worked. I cannot recall NATCA national leadership visiting either facility I've been at. Regional leadership visited my first facility once, I have not seen regional leadership at my second. The only time I recall NATCA national leadership "visiting" a location I was at was during a "Meet and Greet" while in initial training in OKC, when I wasn't part of the union. I will say that one afternoon during the first week or two at my first facility the FACREP took a group of us AGs out for lunch, and from what I've heard pre-covid, AG's at my second facility received this experience as well.
I'm not saying leadership doesn't travel and visit places, as today's email showcases the EVP visiting OMA/R90/SUX. I'm just saying I cannot recall them visiting where I've been at the same time I was there.
As far as the rest of it: whether it be privitisation, covid response, training delays, or the contract extension, I think transparency would go a long way with the membership. This way whether we agree or not with the union's stance or actions, we can at least see their reasoning. If they can blast out emails selling the virtues of sunch inane things as the re-wording of M in NOTAMs, they sure as hell can send out a small summary of "this is why we support/oppose insert major issue/action." I wouldn't expect it to be done for every little thing, but issues such as the 4 I listed are pretty important that affect the whole membership.