Not even close.
I know people who spew more bullshit than the largest repository of human intelligence and most are politicians. Telling someone to ignore data in favor of a person is unbelievable as well.
Nick Daniels proposed limiting PPL requests for new parents
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Not even close.
I know people who spew more bullshit than the largest repository of human intelligence and most are politicians. Telling someone to ignore data in favor of a person is unbelievable as well.
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I think it was an attempt to point out how none of us met hitler but we can definitively say he was bad… still anytime people use “hitler” as a means to make a point logically, it’s a bad move because the point itself takes a backseat to the emotional response it evokes.
I’ve never once supported the “just ask your rep.” mentality. I’ll never understand that mindset either.
I never once told someone to “ignore data.”
I get the comparison.. it’s an extreme choice is the point. A dictator verses some fellas voluntarily stepping up to try and do what they can to improve our Union.
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No I agree… it’s an absurd thing to interject, but he wasn’t comparing them morally or behaviorally to Hitler.
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So now we are taking the approach of putting everything out in the open and letting them convince us and one side is totally imploding. They thought they could ignore the fringe until it turned out the fringe was 1/5th of union members
“They thought they could ignore the fringe “
You are 100% correct they thought they could, and they still will IF the fringe doesn’t get out and vote again.
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The hard part is the pissed off people are at work talking with everyone and they are in details talking on Facebook. But I do agree turnout could be different in the run off! I don’t know why we need such long voting periods.
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That would make a lot of sense actually. The convention would never approve something so good.
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I’m a Steve supporter though, and Janice kills puppies.
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What the fuck happened to ATC2?
I'm pretty sure this example was manipulated to make ranked choice look bad. Most of the time you'd rank all possible choices, not just 3 out of 6, which is stupid, so those vote wouldn't just disappear. Even if they did, it was votes for the worst possible people, so it doesn't really matter.
Overall it's a much better system than we use today, and would get rid of the two party stranglehold that's in place.
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Or create a single party stranglehold.
It’s back. The facebook group chat couldn’t keep it closed down.
Not really. The whole point of it is the opposite of that.
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Intentions don't always equal outcomes.
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If the majority keeps selecting the same party they are sending a message and the other parties should adjust. Free market.
You may not have said “ignore data” but you are imploring people to ignore data. You said we don’t know the exact language Nick proposed. But we don’t need to. He wanted to govern PPL. In certain circumstances. That’s data in the minutes. And that alone tells us enough to know definitively he wanted to put some sort of limitation on it.
Are you suggesting he proposed to add something that would benefit us regarding PPL? That the brilliant Nick Daniels had some idea that the law makers that wrote and approved FMLA forgot that would enhance our rights under the law??
The most telling phrase in the minutes is the certain circumstances part. If you are eligible and request FMLA it’s approved or denied. End of story. There aren’t any circumstances that matter. You’re eligible and it’s approved or you aren’t eligible and it’s denied. Whatever idea he had to govern ppl and whatever the certain circumstances were are irrelevant and most certainly would NOT have benefited us. Seems if he wanted to add benefits for us he would have addressed this. The minutes are clear though so there is not a lot for him to address. Which is probably why he hasn’t.
But your suggestion that “we don’t know the language he proposed” or whatever you said is close enough to saying “ignore data.”
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