Side jobs?

They won’t find out unless you tell someone and they dime you out to the FAA. Or you post it on the internet.

CF said:

They won’t find out unless you tell someone and they dime you out to the FAA. Or you post it on the internet.

Do p65 mods respond to investigations by Faa HR?

32andBelow said:

Do p65 mods respond to investigations by Faa HR?

LOL FAa HR has no investigaive authority or power to issue subpoenas It would be DOT law enforcement or FBI, and having a 2nd job is not a federal crime

32andBelow said:

Do p65 mods respond to investigations by Faa HR?

PushingTin said:

LOL FAa HR has no investigaive authority or power to issue subpoenas It would be DOT law enforcement or FBI, and having a 2nd job is not a federal crime

Flight check flies over your house and when they see the pool and the RZR they report you to HR. “No way you can afford that on level 6 pay!”

Shikaka said:

Again, you guys need to read FAA Order 3750.7B...you can have a second job...

The .65 is gonna kill some of y'all...

Have read the .7B, specifically apenx. E that was mentioned prior, I understand what is stated in such.
I can only speak for myself, therefore, again I was verbally told by more than one person that during training: I cannot have a second job, whether that is true or false. At this point, having held an FOL for this long, since Feb. 4th, I'm telling myself: why get frustrated or rock the boat now? So that goes for onboarding, I cannot say if that still holds true while being in OKC, but I do not see how that would differ. Now for being assigned a facility, I can see how .7B plays a role in it. I will say that I will not be speaking to OKC due to me already being in the situation I am in, I agreed verbally to such conditions, whether that carries any validity. Also, I do not want to sink someone else's boat by stirring up a pot of crap just because "I may feel that I may have been wronged" or something along those lines.

So I’m still not getting a clear answer from reading this thread.

Here’s my dilemma:
I received my FOL and have a mid-September start date. I’m currently employed by another Federal Agency, but with all the delays in beginning basics and reading what I’ve read here, I’m hesitant to put my notice in at this time.

This new career path takes priority for me and will be ready to go at any time, I’m just wondering if the FAA, DOT, or anyone else could see I’m currently/still employed by another federal entity (active Form50)?

My HR rep is impossible to get a hold of, but it also is sounding like I shouldn’t mention it.

Bgsbya said:

So I’m still not getting a clear answer from reading this thread.

Here’s my dilemma:
I received my FOL and have a mid-September start date. I’m currently employed by another Federal Agency, but with all the delays in beginning basics and reading what I’ve read here, I’m hesitant to put my notice in at this time.

This new career path takes priority for me and will be ready to go at any time, I’m just wondering if the FAA, DOT, or anyone else could see I’m currently/still employed by another federal entity (active Form50)?

My HR rep is impossible to get a hold of, but it also is sounding like I shouldn’t mention it.

Lol at shouldn't mention it. You're employed by the government already, do you really think thats a good idea?

Roger_Roger said:

Lol at shouldn't mention it. You're employed by the government already, do you really think thats a good idea?

So just do side gigs that don’t involve employment by the government?

In no way is this going to interfere with this new career path, but this next year (hopefully less) is going to be tight on the wallet... I might even stop and pick up the change I find on the ground. I’ve been planning for the pay cut, but it’s turned into an extended pay cut of unknown duration with the Covid situation. Just sucks...

Bgsbya said:

I’m currently employed by another Federal Agency

I believe your current pay will transfer over when you start at the academy, so you won't be stuck earning $12/hr like everyone else.

BAS92 said:

They did have us all come in and recert. Most likely were going to have to again. Which defeats the purpose of staying out of the building to social distance lol. If we can come back and recert, we should be able to come back and train.

And that's why all this shit is a scam.

NeoddSweven said:

This scenario is why I have been stacking up all of my chips in preparation, having AG pay, in another state w/ four children/ wife/ animals/ etc. Hopefully, not banking on, but having Z: OB/ JX/ TL as the home base and # 1 & 2 having cpc in avg. time of 1.93 yrs. So thinking that 1 & 2 having, fingers crossed, 2 yrs for cpc then having D1 maybe in 6 months +/- and so fourth. Just looking ahead with the mindset of, hope for the best and plan for the worst as best I can.

Little word of advice on this...my facility is a 2ish year average, and has a list of all trainees and their position cert dates on the wall. My buddy was using other people’s certs as a timeline for when he could expect his. We had a calendar on our white board that showed every date projection for tests, labs, etc.

He had a family emergency come up that led to unexpected medical bills, but he also financed a new car. He bought a house on 0% down, 30 year mortgage, because it was cheaper than renting in his current apartment. If we aren’t back into the labs by December, he’s talking about having to quit. He works a second job, but his wife is unable to work right now, and they have a baby. He spent money he doesn’t have based on what his crystal ball told him, and it bit him. Hard. Don’t predicate your future upon your top 3 facilities being available, you passing the academy with a good enough score to select your preferred facility, and certifying in a certain time frame based on what others have certified at. You could get stuck in San Juan because it is on the required list. You just never know.

If you have time to work a second job during academy, more power to you. Might be better off having your wife work while you study & watch the kids.

Roger_Roger said:

Lol at shouldn't mention it. You're employed by the government already, do you really think thats a good idea?

Nah the dude has a point. HR people that work at the MMAC are borderline ********.

Since basics is online, I'd see if you could do basics and then keep your current job until you get called in to your facility to train. Again, the FAA cannot legally stop you from having a 2nd job as long as the duties of that job do not interfere with your FAA duties. I personally wouldnt say shit.

Termine said:

I believe your current pay will transfer over when you start at the academy, so you won't be stuck earning $12/hr like everyone else.

Does this start when basics begins, or the start of 3-4 month “academy?” And any of the time in between (with all of these lulls I’m hearing about)?

Also, my FOL with the salary rate says otherwise.

Bgsbya said:

Does this start when basics begins, or the start of 3-4 month “academy?” And any of the time in between (with all of these lulls I’m hearing about)?

Also, my FOL with the salary rate says otherwise.

My guess is that HR won't know about it until you tell them, and you'll likely have to send them an SF-50 showing your current rate in order to have it carry over. I think it would be effective as soon as you swear in, so when you start online basics. But I don't have any direct experience so you might want to have "a friend" call HR and ask first...

Termine said:

My guess is that HR won't know about it until you tell them, and you'll likely have to send them an SF-50 showing your current rate in order to have it carry over. I think it would be effective as soon as you swear in, so when you start online basics. But I don't have any direct experience so you might want to have "a friend" call HR and ask first...

They should know about it. All “current federal civilian employees” had to send them it with our TOLs. It says “to ensure you receive credit for all previous federal civilian time” but nothing about rates of pay.

Bgsbya said:

So I’m still not getting a clear answer from reading this thread.

Here’s my dilemma:
I received my FOL and have a mid-September start date. I’m currently employed by another Federal Agency, but with all the delays in beginning basics and reading what I’ve read here, I’m hesitant to put my notice in at this time.

This new career path takes priority for me and will be ready to go at any time, I’m just wondering if the FAA, DOT, or anyone else could see I’m currently/still employed by another federal entity (active Form50)?

My HR rep is impossible to get a hold of, but it also is sounding like I shouldn’t mention it.

I wouldn't take advice from a forum on this, dual federal employment is illegal in general.

JTL2ATC said:

Little word of advice on this...my facility is a 2ish year average, and has a list of all trainees and their position cert dates on the wall. My buddy was using other people’s certs as a timeline for when he could expect his. We had a calendar on our white board that showed every date projection for tests, labs, etc.

He had a family emergency come up that led to unexpected medical bills, but he also financed a new car. He bought a house on 0% down, 30 year mortgage, because it was cheaper than renting in his current apartment. If we aren’t back into the labs by December, he’s talking about having to quit. He works a second job, but his wife is unable to work right now, and they have a baby. He spent money he doesn’t have based on what his crystal ball told him, and it bit him. Hard. Don’t predicate your future upon your top 3 facilities being available, you passing the academy with a good enough score to select your preferred facility, and certifying in a certain time frame based on what others have certified at. You could get stuck in San Juan because it is on the required list. You just never know.

If you have time to work a second job during academy, more power to you. Might be better off having your wife work while you study & watch the kids.

Funny enough I bought an RV when I went to the academy, luckily made it otherwise I'd be working my old job and living in it by the SF Bay tongue punching the bore of a 12 gauge..

Bgsbya said:

They should know about it. All “current federal civilian employees” had to send them it with our TOLs. It says “to ensure you receive credit for all previous federal civilian time” but nothing about rates of pay.

Quite possible it was lost in the shuffle. AFAIK current fed civilian employees pay transfers over even for your academy time. I would reach out to your HR rep with an email and a copy of the SF50 because your FOL should have the correct number on it.

I'm pretty sure you can't be dual employed on the DAY you're on boarded because they tell you what you can and can't do as an FAA employee that day.