Terminal Class pass rate

redsphanatic said:

Pretty rare to see the DFW area on academy lists.

Figured as much, thanks!

JumperBones said:

POC CPC here, same offer applies. Great place to work, only one guy (of 10) has paperwork out, total CPC number is 11. One person in training, on LC. We can't release right now because we're below 85%, but as soon as our LC trainee is done (CPC-IT transfer) we're eligible to release again. Tends to be an easy place to leave. Good place to come and get your initial CPC certification and move on, if that's what you want to do. 10% CIP. Nice neighborhoods around the airport, well maybe except for south Pomona. Greater Los Angeles area bedroom community suburbia. Average 300 ops a day for traffic, 4 flight schools onfield, tons from the neighboring GA fields. No air carriers.

We tend to be staffed, so it's not always available for AAC people. Had multiple instances in my years here of having no one in training, for months at a time, which is a bit different from my friends at neighboring facilities where training is a neverending grind. In the past we've had 7 of 11 CPC lines on 4-10s, one each set of RDOs, then 4 lines of 8s. Also had full hour flexes, it'd be nice to get back to that. Anyway, definitely not the worst.

Is it a bunch of older guys? You would think people wouldn’t want to sit at a level 5 in Cali but maybe it’s one of those secret country clubs?!

YuriNate said:

Does the Wayne County Sheriff’s Office still cover the city? Lol, it was like that when I left MI in 2009

Oakland county sheriff has a couple helos based at PTK, never seen a Wayne Sheriff around in my time here

IDidNoot_OhiMark said:

PTK X2
MLU
POC
STL
FAR
GTF
FTW
GGG
HUF
JAN

ALT:
FAI X2
OGG

How did this go?

RomeoTangoRT said:

For some reason it gets a lot of blowback but 4-10s is an elite schedule. Some people don’t like working 10 hour days but I’d much prefer that in exchange for 3 days off.

4 10s is nice but it can be a lot if your facility is busy. They are also straight time a lot so it can just be an ass kicker. With the rotating schedule you can chill for like half the shifts when it’s slow

32andBelow said:

4 10s is nice but it can be a lot if your facility is busy. They are also straight time a lot so it can just be an ass kicker. With the rotating schedule you can chill for like half the shifts when it’s slow

I’ve worked 4-8s as well which a lot of people would quickly dismiss. It’s a good schedule to allow everyone to share desirable off days on a rotation. Sucks to have to plan leave around however.

4-8s was also in the military. Nobody in the union is going to agree to a revolving schedule.

The best would be if we didn’t have to conform with this made up 40 hours a week requirement. You can stay 4 10s you can likely just start 4 8s with 3 days off

32andBelow said:

The best would be if we didn’t have to conform with this made up 40 hours a week requirement. You can stay 4 10s you can likely just start 4 8s with 3 days off

Big facts.. on my 4/10 schedule, opener and closer overlapped between 1015 and 1645

Even on 4/8s we would have still overlapped for 2 hours

KAB said:

How did this go?

9/11

STL
GGG
PTK x2
FAR
GTF
FAI
POC
FTW

IDidNoot_OhiMark said:

9/11

STL
GGG
PTK x2
FAR
GTF
FAI
POC
FTW

Surprised FTW went last. That place is over 100% staffed with almost a 100% checkout rate in 9 months. Free ticket to anywhere after that.

abc1234 said:

Surprised FTW went last. That place is over 100% staffed with almost a 100% checkout rate in 9 months. Free ticket to anywhere after that.

This was not in order. Sorry. STL was first and FTW was second.

So let me get this straight: someone voluntarily chose FAI ahead of MLU?

JackTBP said:

So let me get this straight: someone voluntarily chose FAI ahead of MLU?

People like living in Alaska

IDidNoot_OhiMark said:

This was not in order. Sorry. STL was first and FTW was second.

What was the order?

Liveatc123 said:

What was the order?

STL, FTW, PTK, FAI, POC, FAR, GGG, PTK, GTF

32andBelow said:

People like living in Alaska

Username checks out.

12/9 Placements:
YIP
CPS
MLU
LAN
HSV
FTW
STP
TVC

OCONUS (not sure if alts?):
STT
ITO
SJU
FAI

redsphanatic said:

12/9 Placements:
YIP
CPS
MLU
LAN
HSV
FTW
STP
TVC

OCONUS (not sure if alts?):
STT
ITO
SJU
FAI

How many people in the class? Not a bad list.

I washed out my last eval by only a few points…..I’m not evaluating what options I have next and if the FAA would give a second chance? Anyone have advice? (CTI Graduate)

Lstanley said:

I washed out my last eval by only a few points…..I’m not evaluating what options I have next and if the FAA would give a second chance? Anyone have advice? (CTI Graduate)

In terms of re-applying you are probably SOL. Specifically referenced in every open source bid is this snippet:

"Prior failure of FAA or FSS Academy training or prior declination of permanent facility placement offer after completing Academy training may constitute a basis for non-selection and/or veterans' preference pass over."

If ATC is your end all be all, then you may want to look into the military or a program by which you pay for your CTO. Get your 52 weeks of CERTIFIED controlling experience and apply for a prior experience bid. However that might not be a sure shot because of this snippet from the experienced bid:

"Applicants who are prior Academy and/or field training failures may not be considered."

Unfortunately the only thing the CTI degree is useful for these days is getting into Pool 1. That is literally it.

Good luck.

Know someone who failed out of the academy, got their CTO at a private academy, gained another CTO and then got hired off an experienced bid for the record