2024 NATCA President Election

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Maybe NATCA didn’t address pay until just recently because they secretly are counting on the shit staffing to resolve the pay issue? Bad staffing has meant record OT the last two years for me and countless others. With that I actually did keep pace with inflation, but only because I worked 120+ hours of OT each year.

120 hours?

 

[Move78]

The first time I contacted NATCA national, some time in 2018 I believe, was when a nearby UAW plant was on strike and I inquired about actively showing solidarity on their picket line. I come from 3 generations of UAW members and I myself was a UAW member for a year before joining ATC, so the cause was somewhat personal to me.

The email chain bounced around between myself, the Director of Public Affairs, and the "Senior Social Media Associate" in which they told me NATCA wouldn't support me identifying myself as NATCA, but I should provide them with any potential pictures of it in the event they did want to publicize it.

That was strike one for me. I left after strike five. For everyone's sake I pray that you continue with your level of tenacity; it got to the point where I felt my only recourse was to reclaim my dues going forward

NATCA is supporting UAW

It 100% is pitting. The Union, in many examples, clearly hates non-paying members. I’ve personally seen it.

What’s a non paying member

Don’t hate the player, hate the game. If they didn’t want non members reaping benefits, they would’ve fought against it.

Against labor law?

 

[doodii]

But that’d illegal. Is this really a tough concept?

Right to fair representation | National Labor Relations Board

You have a right to be represented by your union fairly, in good faith, and without discrimination.

www.nlrb.gov

My point exactly. So represent both equally without hate. I don’t understand what you’re arguing here. You’re proving my point.

What’s a non paying member

Non union member.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

120 hours? View attachment 8859

 

[Move78]

Non union member.

Phraseology clarification: That’s a non dues paying BUE. Not a member.

 

[Fat Porrey]

My point exactly. So represent both equally without hate. I don’t understand what you’re arguing here. You’re proving my point.

Whoosh!

You’re missing it. I’m saying it’s ok to treat them differently. You’re saying to represent both equally. Two separate things. NATCA has never said anywhere that they’ll represent non-members differently, but you keep saying that they should….they do and they have!

Just because I won’t swap shifts or grab you a coffee doesn’t mean I won’t represent you at a Weingarten meeting.

 

[doodii]

Phraseology clarification: That’s a non dues paying BUE. Not a member.

I was using member as FAA member. But I see what you’re saying.

 

[jdatc]

Phraseology clarification: That’s a non dues paying BUE. Not a member.

Man, I don’t think I have ever heard someone use the exact phrase before.

However, the key to getting some of these people back is actually listening to their concerns, addressing them and extending the olive branch. It is not doubling down on hateful rhetoric.

My facrep in spite of the RVP actually had quite a few to rejoin, and I’d be willing to bet more would if things were rectified.

Very few people quit over the money aspect of it. They quit because they are ticked about other things, and felt like no one was listening.

And then the ultimate salt in the wound to them, was to tell them you shouldn’t quit, you just need to get more involved.

I know this because *gasp* I remain friends with them. Even though I may not like the fact they left, I understand their reasons.

 

[32andBelow]

How exactly should people get involved? I heard back in the day the union will delegate more things out to more people. But now it is more consolidated into the fac rep and professional
Scammer positions. So more people would get some time off the floor. But now less people get all their time off the floor.

Don’t know if it’s true but some old timers were talking about it.

 

[doodii]

I think the one thing that could be scrapped is the whole "you applied for a sup bid 10 months ago, so you can't be the local Drug and Alcohol Rep." Thanks for letting me be of service. I think you'd have a lot more people who actually care about the Union apply for local council positions.

 

[Osu011004]

120 hours? View attachment 8859

Our people on the NO list will double that this year. 120 would be a vacation for us.

 

[jdatc]

I think the one thing that could be scrapped is the whole "you applied for a sup bid 10 months ago, so you can't be the local Drug and Alcohol Rep." Thanks for letting me be of service. I think you'd have a lot more people who actually care about the Union apply for local council positions.

That goes down another path.

So say you have on one had a “non dues paying BUE” who is quite sharp, and is willing to be involved, and would provide help where needed, such as teaching recurrent training, etcetera.

On the other hand you have a member who pays his dues, but never attends a local meeting, is completely unwilling to participate or even answer and email or survey from the locale, and requires constant representation for different behaviors.

Which one do you include on the lunch run?

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

NATCA is supporting UAW

I truely, genuinely hope you can understand/accept the criticism I am about to give on that.

It is abundantly clear, both to a critical observer and also from my personal interactions, that the current NATCA NEB gives ZERO shits about the UAW. Please think about the timeline of events for a moment: UAW officially goes on strike at 11:59pm Thursday night, Joe Biden states general support for the UAW on Friday afternoon, NATCA (after seeing the Biden administration is okay with it) issues a small paragraph statement of support for the UAW on Saturday afternoon.

Everyone saw this strike coming; yet NATCA stood by for 2 days without saying anything and only offered a boilerplate "we stand with you" after POTUS said he supported the UAW. It is a political maneuver that is both obvious and toothless. NATCA NEB has a ridiculous hard-on for political inside baseball, which they have zero acumen for. They want to believe they can be sharks in suits with a seat at the table, but they have given zero reason to substantiate that thinking: most unions tried that method after the Hoffa era up through the great recession and got their teeth kicked in at every turn for 40+ years.

When I was a dues-paying member I contacted NATCA national multiple times each regarding the strikes at John Deere, Kellogg, Warrior Met Coal, Frito-Lay, and the (potential) rail strike. After roughly a dozen contacts (I believe up to Warrior Met, but before Frito-Lay), my then FacRep paid me a visit at the request of someone from regional who was in turn delegated from national. My FacRep made it clear to me they were passing along information "from on high" and I was "explained at" that it was in NATCA's interest to not say or do anything supporting those labor disputes as it could hurt their bargaining chances down the road. It eventually came to pass that when the John Deere & Kellogg strikes ended NATCA gave a blurb endorsement of the workers after the fact; and during some random conference somewhere in the southern region they invited one of the Warrior Met workers to speak at some point so they could add it to the bottom of one of their email blurbs.

So, in short, NATCA NEB supports UAW in approximately the same way my boxers support my balls.

However, the key to getting some of these people back is actually listening to their concerns, addressing them and extending the olive branch. It is not doubling down on hateful rhetoric.

My facrep in spite of the RVP actually got quite a few to rejoin, and I’d be willing to bet more would if things were rectified.

Very few people quit over the money aspect of it. They quit because they are ticked about other things, and felt like no one was listening.

And then the ultimate salt in the wound to them, was to tell them you shouldn’t quit, you just need to get more involved.

I don't know you, and I am pretty sure you don't know me. But 100% this. If there's genuine change at the top of the NATCA structure and an olive branch was offered, I 100% would be back in.

 

[RomeoTangoRT]

That goes down another path.

So say you have on one had a “non dues paying BUE” who is quite sharp, and is willing to be involved, and would provide help where needed, such as teaching recurrent training, etcetera.

On the other hand you have a member who pays his dues, but never attends a local meeting, is completely unwilling to participate or even answer and email or survey from the locale, and requires constant representation for different behaviors.

Which one do you include on the lunch run?

Trick question, everyone.

 

[Fat Porrey]

 

[CaptainObvious]

Dafuq?

 

[Raise when?]

New Santa video.

Haven’t watched yet. But judging from the title it appears he and Mick are respecting the power of the Razewen movement 🌊🌊🌊

Raise when, my brothers?

 

[ManBearPig]

I truely, genuinely hope you can understand/accept the criticism I am about to give on that.

It is abundantly clear, both to a critical observer and also from my personal interactions, that the current NATCA NEB gives ZERO shits about the UAW. Please think about the timeline of events for a moment: UAW officially goes on strike at 11:59pm Thursday night, Joe Biden states general support for the UAW on Friday afternoon, NATCA (after seeing the Biden administration is okay with it) issues a small paragraph statement of support for the UAW on Saturday afternoon.

Everyone saw this strike coming; yet NATCA stood by for 2 days without saying anything and only offered a boilerplate "we stand with you" after POTUS said he supported the UAW. It is a political maneuver that is both obvious and toothless. NATCA NEB has a ridiculous hard-on for political inside baseball, which they have zero acumen for. They want to believe they can be sharks in suits with a seat at the table, but they have given zero reason to substantiate that thinking: most unions tried that method after the Hoffa era up through the great recession and got their teeth kicked in at every turn for 40+ years.

When I was a dues-paying member I contacted NATCA national multiple times each regarding the strikes at John Deere, Kellogg, Warrior Met Coal, Frito-Lay, and the (potential) rail strike. After roughly a dozen contacts (I believe up to Warrior Met, but before Frito-Lay), my then FacRep paid me a visit at the request of someone from regional who was in turn delegated from national. My FacRep made it clear to me they were passing along information "from on high" and I was "explained at" that it was in NATCA's interest to not say or do anything supporting those labor disputes as it could hurt their bargaining chances down the road. It eventually came to pass that when the John Deere & Kellogg strikes ended NATCA gave a blurb endorsement of the workers after the fact; and during some random conference somewhere in the southern region they invited one of the Warrior Met workers to speak at some point so they could add it to the bottom of one of their email blurbs.

So, in short, NATCA NEB supports UAW in approximately the same way my boxers support my balls.


I don't know you, and I am pretty sure you don't know me. But 100% this. If there's genuine change at the top of the NATCA structure and an olive branch was offered, I 100% would be back in.

Real world checking in again. Why should we even care about the UAW???? It's laughable to think they care about us. The union "brotherhood" between unions is BS. I care about myself and our members. Not someone getting paid $75k to bolt a single wheel on a vehicle every 15 minutes.

 

[32andBelow]

I watched it. They raised the pay for like 12 controllers and he has nothing else to say

 

[doodii]

I watched it. They raised the pay for like 12 controllers and he has nothing else to say

Hey Rich, tell me you're disconnected from the real workforce without telling me you're disconnected from the real workforce.