2024 NATCA President Election

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Additionally, 2.9 Million AIRLINE passengers fly each DAY in the USA. If we lobbied congress for a tax of 1% duty on the cost of an airline tickets to be paid as a bonus to Air Traffic Controllers each quarter. That would result on average over 4 Billion dollars each year (average airline ticket is $382 so ticket prices would go on average to $385). Spread that out over 12,500 controllers and each controller would be making over 300K more then they currently are.



To state that again... it wouldn't make pay 300K on average it would be 300K more. So if you are making 200K already you would make 500K etc.

Also, in this way our pay would always be tied to inflation. If airline tickets go up our pay would proportionally go up... if more aircraft fly but ticket prices stay the same... Our pay would go up!

Periculant for President 2024!

#RAZEWEN

To all the people who have no stomach for going through congress and working this issue here is the 1994 NATCA convention transcript. (and an excerpt) This is a refernce from getting us off the GS pay scale and having our own pay scale and how it would cost the federal government more money. In other words increasing the amount of money allocated for ATC pay has happened before and it can happen again.


UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Michael 21 (inaudible) Seattle Tracon. I have two easy
22 ones and maybe one tough one. The first one is
23 have we come up with a figure based on the pay
24 scale you displayed up there and what you feel
25 the facilities will be graded at, how much it
1 will cost? I had to go talk to Mr. Bellino, I
2 might have missed that, what total cost of PCB
3 would be?
4 MR. HAINES: No, we don't really know
5 where your facility is going to fit yet.
6 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No, I mean the
7 general. Right now we pay $73 million PCB, will
8 it be $95 million under the pay scale.
9 MR. HAINES: We don't know where the
10 facilities fit in the pay scale yet so we
11 haven't figured that out exactly. We don't have
12 a dollar figure.
13 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Is that a factor?
14 Does OPM take that much time to figure that out
15 and make that a factor on whether they approve
16 it? Is this approval based on money?
17 MR. HAINES: It could be, yes.
18 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Is there increased
19 money?
20 MR. HAINES: There will be increased
21 costs to the agency and it will have to go
22 through Congress eventually.

23 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The last question
24 is will there be -- in other words, now, when
25 facility traffic decreases is there a
1 possibility, will it be as easy to downgrade a
2 facility under the new scale as it was under the
3 presenting GS scale?

Another interaction that was awesome is this

MR. KILGALLON: You might be correct, we
22 may have forgotten you.
23 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Everybody does.
24 MR. KILGALLON: Can you bring that to the
25 breakout if you get a chance?

basically it was a member talking to a committee and the committee agreeing they may have overlooked relating to pay. Could you imagen our leadership now admitting they made a mistake on a serious topic like pay?

Tim Haines


Haines is remembered as a NATCA member who never backed down. Because of this staunch dedication to his union, NATCA appointed him to a reclassification project that would revolutionize the way in which members of the union are paid fairly. Many did not believe this project would be successful and thought the FAA would never agree to it. But Haines never faltered in his resolve to protect his profession and the well-being of each and every member of his union.

How things never change
 
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Why does anyone give a shit about the email list other than that you are afraid people might actually like what they're putting out? It's a pretty underwhelming criticism. Its not like they're out in them streets KOing members or anything.

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Why does anyone give a shit about the email list other than that you are afraid people might actually like what they're putting out? It's a pretty underwhelming criticism. Its not like they're out in them streets KOing members or anything.

RAZE NAU



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It is against the NATCA National Constitution.

If anyone can access it fine... But the people accessing it are the President and an RVP
 
Where do I even see Nick/Jamaal campaign material. Any website or youtube channel?

All I see is people whining about the Santa/Mick but providing minimal info.
 
They aren't allowed to campaign yet... hence the problem.
This is 100% wrong and incorrect. You, of all people, the Administrator that silences vocal members and locks threads should not be spreading Fake News on here. Pretty disturbing that you use your position of authority to spread mistruths like this.

For shame.
 
This is 100% wrong and incorrect. You, of all people, the Administrator that silences vocal members and locks threads should not be spreading Fake News on here. Pretty disturbing that you use your position of authority to spread mistruths like this.

For shame

The nomination period has never taken place so the president nor Mikey boy should be using the national listserv.

You can in theory campaign whenever but they are deliberately breaking the rules or even if you are a Santa supporter you have to see that this is as gray of an area as you can get.

If you don’t see it as “at best” a gray area you are not being intellectually honest with yourself.

This shady stuff is inherently the problem most members have and it is in open view to everyone.
 
The nomination period has never taken place so the president nor Mikey boy should be using the national listserv.

You can in theory campaign whenever but they are deliberately breaking the rules or even if you are a Santa supporter you have to see that this is as gray of an area as you can get.

If you don’t see it as “at best” a gray area you are not being intellectually honest with yourself.

This shady stuff is inherently the problem most members have and it is in open view to everyone.
I mean the incumbent I get kinda but how the heck did other people get it
 
The nomination period has never taken place so the president nor Mikey boy should be using the national listserv.

You can in theory campaign whenever but they are deliberately breaking the rules or even if you are a Santa supporter you have to see that this is as gray of an area as you can get.

If you don’t see it as “at best” a gray area you are not being intellectually honest with yourself.

This shady stuff is inherently the problem most members have and it is in open view to everyone.

No one actually gives 2 shits about the use of the Listservs, except those who are overtly against the incumbents. Are you the kinda guy that petitions for people to get citations for Jaywalking or negative Procs for cowboy phraseology too? Early shoves? C'mon man!

It's not "in theory", as a matter of fact any member in good standing can campaign for local or national office at any time period full stop.
 
No one actually gives 2 shits about the use of the Listservs, except those who are overtly against the incumbents. Are you the kinda guy that petitions for people to get citations for Jaywalking or negative Procs for cowboy phraseology too? Early shoves? C'mon man!

It's not "in theory", as a matter of fact any member in good standing can campaign for local or national office at any time period full stop.
And how would you propose for the other members who plan to campaign to get the entirety of NATCA's members email information? They'd need it to level the playing field of course.

-In Solidarity
 
Yeah we got the regional ListServes from the RVPs so we didn't get caught pulling the national one
We?
Even so, Wouldn't this simply perpetuate that the RVPs are giving out listserves and thus is any other member requested the regional list server and the RVP didn't give it to them than that would directly reflect that either they didn't give it to any other RVP.


this is such a swamp move.
They didn't get the email addresses from the RVPs. Their campaign emails are going to southwest region too. I can't imagine Nick would release his members emails to Santa.
 
And yet you accuse others of simping…

No. Do you really think the average low information would-be voter cares that someone from the union EMAILED them? That is such an absurdly pedantic line of attack. Even for arguments sake i'll grant that its true and should be seen in the worst possible light. No one cares. They want to hear about getting more money not being lectured on campaign ethics. In other news someone just ripped a tag off their mattress!
 
“but their emails!!!!”

If you want to be outraged, be outraged that Biden is out picketing for UAW while NATCA sits back and is ok without current pay rates, knowing the real priority at hand is to fix pay for the FCT’ers so the boomers on a second career can afford more preparation H.

Apparently the Nick/Jamal camp thinks controller pay is fine and the main focus of their administration will be to increase Article 114 details so that more controllers can be involved in collaboration!

RAZE WEN?
 
This is 100% wrong and incorrect. You, of all people, the Administrator that silences vocal members and locks threads should not be spreading Fake News on here. Pretty disturbing that you use your position of authority to spread mistruths like this.

For shame.
Lol MJ=Elon Musk? ATC123 is a shitty website anyways.
 
“but their emails!!!!”

If you want to be outraged, be outraged that Biden is out picketing for UAW while NATCA sits back and is ok without current pay rates, knowing the real priority at hand is to fix pay for the FCT’ers so the boomers on a second career can afford more preparation H.

Apparently the Nick/Jamal camp thinks controller pay is fine and the main focus of their administration will be to increase Article 114 details so that more controllers can be involved in collaboration!

RAZE WEN?
You’re a dipshit plant for the same big NATCA that’s got us where we’re at. “Apparently” dragging the usurpers from the same anonymous 8 burner accounts to prop up the incumbents is a bad look. We vote next year.
 
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