DOT holiday time off

32andBelow

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I can see that point of view but I personally see it from the other side lol. Hard for me not to. Considering we should have 10 on the day and night shifts and regularly work with 5 you could fully staff us and leave 5 at home each shift and say it costs the agency nothing.

Credit is paid out in full when you retire I believe so it could actually cost them lol.
I guess but you can only hold 24 hours of credit at a time.

The point is if they want to show the workforce how much they love them by doing this stuff just let us bank the thing if we can’t use it. Or make those hours 1.5X time
 

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I guess but you can only hold 24 hours of credit at a time.

The point is if they want to show the workforce how much they love them by doing this stuff just let us bank the thing if we can’t use it. Or make those hours 1.5X time
You can only carry over 24 hours into the next pay period. I’ve earned and burned more inside two weeks, but a max of 24 can be paid out at the end of federal service or transfer to another agency.
 

Electricfence

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Because your salary doesn’t change. If anything they save money cus they aren’t paying you differentials.

Your just not there but your getting paid. The cost to the faa is unchanged
You work 40 hours a week.
You earn 4 hours a pay period of sick time.
You earn 4/6/8 hours of annual a year.
The facility has an overtime Budget.

Anything above that costs them something. Yes you aren’t getting paid at the time of working, You instead get paid at the time you aren’t when your credit leave is approved.

If it didn’t cost them Anything why cap it at 24?
 

Soham

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If it didn’t cost them Anything why cap it at 24?

Probably to keep the people that show up 30 mins - 1 hour early every shift to get credit from amassing a ridiculous amount. And yeah, it would cost them more than expected if one out of every few retirements had a ton of credit hours to sell at full price.
 

MikeSierra

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Probably to keep the people that show up 30 mins - 1 hour early every shift to get credit from amassing a ridiculous amount. And yeah, it would cost them more than expected if one out of every few retirements had a ton of credit hours to sell at full price.
Wait, are you saying we can do this? Flex in 30 minutes early, but on credit.
 

Soham

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Wait, are you saying we can do this? Flex in 30 minutes early, but on credit.

Depends on your facility. My last facility allowed almost any credit you wanted under the excuse to "to get training accomplished". Any CIC could approve it. Some facilities are a lot more restrictive and only supes approve it. I'm not sure what the actual rules are.
 

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You work 40 hours a week.
You earn 4 hours a pay period of sick time.
You earn 4/6/8 hours of annual a year.
The facility has an overtime Budget.

Anything above that costs them something. Yes you aren’t getting paid at the time of working, You instead get paid at the time you aren’t when your credit leave is approved.

If it didn’t cost them Anything why cap it at 24?
but if they don’t cover your shift during the time they approve the credit then there’s no increased cost to them. Which I don’t know why they’d approve your credit then call in OT. On top of that it I use my credit on a Sunday or Night Shift the FAA saves money
 

Electricfence

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but if they don’t cover your shift during the time they approve the credit then there’s no increased cost to them. Which I don’t know why they’d approve your credit then call in OT. On top of that it I use my credit on a Sunday or Night Shift the FAA saves money
Do you not understand they are paying you for more hours than you contractually agreed to work and contractually earn via leave?
1. It doesn’t matter if they cover you shift or hours missed if they approve credit used, they are still paying you.
2. Managers make mistakes all the time, yea they shouldn’t knowingly approve your leave just to incur OT, but it’s happened, because people are stupid. Just like your annual unless it’s bid and there is nothing they can do about it, Same rules apply.
3. Differentials aren’t a factor in the fact that they are still going to pay you for the hours you worked as credit at some point.
 

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Probably to keep the people that show up 30 mins - 1 hour early every shift to get credit from amassing a ridiculous amount. And yeah, it would cost them more than expected if one out of every few retirements had a ton of credit hours to sell at full price.
I remember the old timers doing this, I'll take free leave anytime assuming the facility is staffed. When they brought credit it back you bet your ass I was earning it on the front end, the nice thing was the FLM couldn't hold me over :p, which if you are reading this RP you are a solid dude but I'll die by my credit.
 

Soham

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I remember the old timers doing this, I'll take free leave anytime assuming the facility is staffed. When they brought credit it back you bet your ass I was earning it on the front end, the nice thing was the FLM couldn't hold me over :p, which if you are reading this RP you are a solid dude but I'll die by my credit.
I didn't even think about the overtime issue. Probably why my current facility is more restrictive of people working credit. Limits any holdover if needed.
 

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Do you not understand they are paying you for more hours than you contractually agreed to work and contractually earn via leave?
1. It doesn’t matter if they cover you shift or hours missed if they approve credit used, they are still paying you.
2. Managers make mistakes all the time, yea they shouldn’t knowingly approve your leave just to incur OT, but it’s happened, because people are stupid. Just like your annual unless it’s bid and there is nothing they can do about it, Same rules apply.
3. Differentials aren’t a factor in the fact that they are still going to pay you for the hours you worked as credit at some point.
It's almost like you don't understand that it is also "costing" the agency/department money when they send all the non essential people home and they get paid not to work for 3 hours before every single holiday too. Those are hours the government accounted for work to be done only to have Pete to play Santa Claus and give everyone something for nothing. But you're saying he can't be Santa Claus for everyone. Only those lucky few who aren't needed. But there's nothing really stopping him from leveling the playing field and treating everyone equally. Maybe we can't get the leave up front, but why not let us take it when staffing allows?
 

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Do you not understand they are paying you for more hours than you contractually agreed to work and contractually earn via leave?
Sure, and they're doing the same for the office folks who got sent home early on pre-holiday excused absence.

Even if you take the view that "someone going on leave" equals "monetary cost to the agency" (whether in real dollars or in... the lost opportunity cost of that controller issuing vectors to final I guess???), which is a view I do not take, that's still the same thing that Buttigeg approved for all the folks in the front office who got to get paid for three hours of work they didn't do.
 

Soham

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Sure, and they're doing the same for the office folks who got sent home early on pre-holiday excused absence.

Even if you take the view that "someone going on leave" equals "monetary cost to the agency" (whether in real dollars or in... the lost opportunity cost of that controller issuing vectors to final I guess???), which is a view I do not take, that's still the same thing that Buttigeg approved for all the folks in the front office who got to get paid for three hours of work they didn't do.

Plus it was mentioned how we only make up like 25% of the DoT. So with 75% being given free time off and costing the DoT that much more money... What's the harm in giving the other 25% of the department 3 hours of leave? If the answer is money, then no one should have gotten the leave to begin with.

Basically no one is going to change their mind in this argument. I just don't see how anyone can argue that the office folk deserve free leave but controllers don't.
 

Electricfence

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The argument for this is if credit costs money. Full stop. Not these particular 3 hours. Or it’s impact on the agency to give it out on Thursday which you’ve all made solid points that it’s a drop in the bucket I agree even though I don’t think it should have been given just cuz you had to show up to work.

If you think 3 hours of leave shows how much the agency cares about you, you think very little of yourself.
 

32andBelow

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Do you not understand they are paying you for more hours than you contractually agreed to work and contractually earn via leave?
1. It doesn’t matter if they cover you shift or hours missed if they approve credit used, they are still paying you.
2. Managers make mistakes all the time, yea they shouldn’t knowingly approve your leave just to incur OT, but it’s happened, because people are stupid. Just like your annual unless it’s bid and there is nothing they can do about it, Same rules apply.
3. Differentials aren’t a factor in the fact that they are still going to pay you for the hours you worked as credit at some point.
They aren’t paying you anymore. Your yearly salary changes 0 dollars. And if it does change it it changes it down not up. The gov loses 3 hours of output from you. But since we don’t produce anything it shouldn’t matter. If the shift is covered it’s covered in our line of work

Btw a bunch of other agencies got to bank Christmas Eve Eve leave and some got up to 24 hours.
 
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