New Mandatory Mask Wearing MOU is out.

[Soss]

We gotta talk about this shit right here.

You may not die, but for every 1 person that dies, 19 get it bad enough to require extended hospitalization, 18 have permanent heart damage, 10 permanent lung damage, 3 will have strokes, and scattered others will have life-long debilitating changes, up to and including lost limbs from blood clots.

Sounds like something right out of the CNN pearl-clutching handbook

 

[CaptainObvious]

Sounds like something right out of the CNN pearl-clutching handbook

As opposed to what? The pushing tin schizophrenic conspiracy theories?

 

[bravoindia]

We gotta talk about this shit right here.

Death is not the only outcome of Covid. Yes, for some people it's like a mild flu but for others - even those that survive - it's debilitating and life-changing. A survivable case can still require hospitalization. You may not die, but for every 1 person that dies, 19 get it bad enough to require extended hospitalization, 18 have permanent heart damage, 10 permanent lung damage, 3 will have strokes, and scattered others will have life-long debilitating changes, up to and including lost limbs from blood clots.

Hell, recently Nick Cordero, a Broadway actor and pretty young guy, survived Covid, but ended up dying from the complications which led to 95 days in the ICU, during which he was in a medically induced coma, had his leg amputated, lost 65 pounds, had to go on dialysis, needed a pacemaker and was on a ventilator before ultimately dying.

So lets maybe take this thing seriously, because for every guy that takes 2 weeks downtime and bounces back no problem, a bunch more people are fucked up for life - even if only some of them die directly from Covid.

~145000 deaths so far. Swine flu had 500k in first year where were your masks then. I’m not saying it’s not real I’m just saying stop being a ? and maybe realize your chances of dying from almost anything else are greater, so far.

 

[ATCGoats]

~145000 deaths so far. Swine flu had 500k in first year where were your masks then. I’m not saying it’s not real I’m just saying stop being a ? and maybe realize your chances of dying from almost anything else are greater, so far.

It was 12k

 

[bravoindia]

It was 12k

It was actually 12500. Look if your going to correct someone at least get the number correct. Until then keep your feet up and clear someone for a touch n go, keyboard warrior.

In the U.S., between April 2009 and April 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases of swine flu, with over 274,000 hospitalizations and nearly 12,500 deaths — that's a mortality rate of about 0.02%.

The 2009 flu pandemic primarily affected children and young adults, and 80% of the deaths were in people younger than 65, the CDC reported. Where was your mask and social distancing? With the same infectious disease expert.

 

[CaptainObvious]

It was actually 12500. Look if your going to correct someone at least get the number correct. Until then keep your feet up and clear someone for a touch n go, keyboard warrior.

Cites a completely false and outrageous number and then gets uppity when called out. And actually it was 12,469.

 

[Soss]

As opposed to what? The pushing tin schizophrenic conspiracy theories?

As opposed to basic mathematics where if the rate of disabling infection was 19 times the rate of death then an overwhelming majority of cases would result in permanent damage.

 

[Termine]

In the U.S., between April 2009 and April 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases of swine flu, with over 274,000 hospitalizations and nearly 12,500 deaths — that's a mortality rate of about 0.02%.

And right now we're pushing 150,000 deaths from COVID, in just six months. That's more than ten times the deaths in half the time, and I don't think the US population has grown 1000% in the past decade so you can't say it's because of that. Looking at the number of deaths tells me that something is worse about this time around—whether it's more cases and therefore more fatalities, or fewer cases with a higher per-case fatality rate, it doesn't terribly matter when you zoom out. This pandemic is worse than swine flu.

 

[ATCGoats]

I laughed at fuck nut but I'm not actually sure what you're trying to say anymore. You answered your own question - there were no masks or other strict protocols because it was something like thirty times less deadly than covid

 

[bravoindia]

Finally you say something accurate. But yes the first number was the total and it was wrong. I do appreciate however that it was far off enough from the one year total that it brought a 3 year lurker out to make their first post lmao

Death rate now ~ .034
Swine flu .02
Are we gonna talk cases or death rates. The death rate is going to only go down with more cases being found. I wouldnt say those death rates are all that far off.

 

[Phillytroll69]

we lose 40-50% in the lab

That's embarrassing

 

[ATCGoats]

Finally you say something accurate. But yes the first number was the total and it was wrong. I do appreciate however that it was far off enough from the one year total that it brought a 3 year lurker out to make their first post lmao

Just wanted to make the first one count

Death rate now ~ .034
Swine flu .02
Are we gonna talk cases or death rates. The death rate is going to only go down with more cases being found. I wouldnt say those death rates are all that far off.

Also thats like....third grade math you're messing up there

 

[Shikaka]

Cites a completely false and outrageous number and then gets uppity when called out. And actually it was 12,469 fuck nut.

Dude, don't be a prick it was 12469.5, midget lives matter bro...

 

[Komp]

~145000 deaths so far. Swine flu had 500k in first year where were your masks then. I’m not saying it’s not real I’m just saying stop being a ? and maybe realize your chances of dying from almost anything else are greater, so far.

According to the CDC, estimates are that there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million) and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States. Source: CDC 2009 H1N1 Pandemic

Obviously, having a much much lower death rate in the H1N1 pandemic makes the comparison to COVID-19 a complete false equivalency. However, we will certainly see the COVID-19 deniers continue to compare them in a feeble attempt to downplay the pandemic and support their claim that it's a hoax to harm their cult leader.

 

[GulfCharlie]

It could always be worse ?‍♂️

 

[Komp]

Death rate now ~ .034
Swine flu .02
Are we gonna talk cases or death rates. The death rate is going to only go down with more cases being found. I wouldnt say those death rates are all that far off.

Your math for COVID-19 is off. Currently, 4,114,817 confirmed cases and 145,565 deaths in the US due to COVID-19. Based on those numbers, the death rate currently sits at 3.53% or roughly 100 times the figure you quoted. Even if we use the highest range of the estimates of actual cases of 10 times confirmed cases, it's still 0.35% or 10 times the number you quoted and 20 times that of the 2009 H1N1 influenza. Of course, we know the vast majority of deaths lag by 2-4 weeks. Therefore, that rate will climb.

 

[bravoindia]

Your math for COVID-19 is off. Currently, 4,114,817 confirmed cases and 145,565 deaths in the US due to COVID-19. Based on those numbers, the death rate currently sits at 3.53% or roughly 100 times the figure you quoted. Even if we use the highest range of the estimates of actual cases of 10 times confirmed cases, it's still 0.35% or 10 times the number you quoted and 20 times that of the 2009 H1N1 influenza. Of course, we know the vast majority of deaths lag by 2-4 weeks. Therefore, that rate will climb.

The actual death toll for COVID-19 won’t be calculable for some time, but there are early indications that it may be significantly lower than calculations of deaths per confirmed cases lead one to believe.

For example, in Florida, the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine and Miami-Dade County announced completion of its second round of community testing for COVID-19 on April 24. Long story short this was one of May studies done others include Stanford, USC, NEJM. All found significant evidence that the infection rate was actually much higher than reported in hospitals and testing sites.

These results may indicate the deadly COVID-19 pandemic – with mortality rates generally under 1% – is no more deadly than the seasonal influenza. Along with the fact that we are categorizing deaths that had nothing to do with the Rona but they tested for antibodies so we mark it a Rona death. I’m not a denier I’ve had family that has already had it and when someone younger dies with no pre existing conditions it’s enough to make anyone nervous. Is it really worth the masks and lockdown for even a 3.5% death rate? At the highest.

 

[32andBelow]

The actual death toll for COVID-19 won’t be calculable for some time, but there are early indications that it may be significantly lower than calculations of deaths per confirmed cases lead one to believe.

For example, in Florida, the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine and Miami-Dade County announced completion of its second round of community testing for COVID-19 on April 24. Long story short this was one of May studies done others include Stanford, USC, NEJM. All found significant evidence that the infection rate was actually much higher than reported in hospitals and testing sites.

These results may indicate the deadly COVID-19 pandemic – with mortality rates generally under 1% – is no more deadly than the seasonal influenza. Along with the fact that we are categorizing deaths that had nothing to do with the Rona but they tested for antibodies so we mark it a Rona death. I’m not a denier I’ve had family that has already had it and when someone younger dies with no pre existing conditions it’s enough to make anyone nervous. Is it really worth the masks and lockdown for even a 3.5% death rate? At the highest.

All you need to know is 150k people have died in 6 months and none of your recent flus can touch that. Who cares if the rate is lower. It’s so contagious it just rips through the population.

 

[bravoindia]

According to the CDC, estimates are that there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million) and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States. Source: CDC 2009 H1N1 Pandemic

Obviously, having a much much lower death rate in the H1N1 pandemic makes the comparison to COVID-19 a complete false equivalency. However, we will certainly see the COVID-19 deniers continue to compare them in a feeble attempt to downplay the pandemic and support their claim that it's a hoax to harm their cult leader.

is this kind of like blindly following cult leaders into privatization? And just saying Paul and Trish have my best interests? Or is it different since you think I’m pro Trump based off me trying to justify COVID not being as bad as the media presents. When the multiple doctors and nurses within the family obviously much smarter than I am are on the ICU floors in East PA and NYC are starting to question where the CDC numbers are coming from can’t we as well??I’m not trying to be rude, just curious.

 

[Gusher]

“Maintain social distancing” is that the same as constant and increasing? For example if I pass someone in the hall I didn’t maintain any social distancing for maybe 2 seconds. Do I need to put a mask on for that?