Newark Disaster

[inthrewtheoutdor]

This holiday travel went over like a fart in church.

Rumor is United isn't happy.

Podcast describing the disastrous move. 15 minute listen.

 

[slater]

This holiday travel went over like a fart in church.

Rumor is United isn't happy.

Podcast describing the disastrous move. 15 minute listen.

Meh.

 

[Soul_Controller]

United supported the move in public. Who knows what type of maneuvering went on behind the scenes for that. They were obviously idiots for trusting the FAA, but I wonder if there what they were promised.

 

[Bandit117]

You can argue the justification for the move or not, the process it happened though, the political stuff etc.

No one can argue against the obvious Technically related safety problems caused by the consolidation. I’ve never had a total stars failure or total comms failure. It’s reliable as hell. That fact alone should be causing the union to raise holy hell to anyone who will listen. The fact they are silent should be deeply concerning to everyone in and adjacent to this profession.

The whole point of the union is to be the advocate for safety. We can’t strike or take any other traditional labor actions so at the end of the day there’s only so much they can do for pay benefits and work conditions. When our union doesn’t advocate for the one thing they can actually influence, the thing they never stop beating their chests about, everyone should be taking notice.

Multiple failures of this technical nature are totally unacceptable because they are 1000% avoidable.

United supported the move in public. Who knows what type of maneuvering went on behind the scenes for that. They were obviously idiots for trusting the FAA, but I wonder if there what they were promised.

They were probably promised what every operator wants … efficient, unnecessary delay free operations in and out of the NYC area, with teases of greater capacity and preferential slot assignments

 

[DankVectorz]

They were probably promised what every operator wants … efficient, unnecessary delay free operations in and out of the NYC area, with teases of greater capacity and preferential slot assignments

The FAA fed them straight up lies and false numbers (saying things like no OTS hires ever certified). The local told them that wasn’t true along with many other things and United basically shrugged their shoulders and said they didn’t care anymore.

 

[32andBelow]

The FAA fed them straight up lies and false numbers (saying things like no OTS hires ever certified). The local told them that wasn’t true along with many other things and United basically shrugged their shoulders and said they didn’t care anymore.

NATCA will never say anything in public tho so we just take the L with everyone else

 

[DankVectorz]

NATCA will never say anything in public tho so we just take the L with everyone else

Nationals signature is on it. They’ll never come out publicly and say what they should have been saying from the beginning and that is that flight safety in the NY airspace is now compromised,

And for the record, I’m a volunteer and couldn’t be happier down here in PHL, but that doesn’t change the fact that operationally this is a complete disaster and the worst is still 18 months away.

 

[+TSRA]

I'm not sure this is a "disaster" as you and I perceive it. If you think about how quickly, hastily and behind the scenes this was pieced together and implemented, how could things gone differently (better)? The FAA knew there was going to be operational impacts because of various failures/breaks-in-the chain. But they are willing to bet their bottom dollar that (thanks to things like TCAS and flow programs) a mid-air isn't going to occur. AND so long as there are no deaths, from the FAA's point-of-view, everything went as expected.

The FAA has never really had to answer to anyone. In my almost 20 years, not a single member of management at a regional or national level has ever been held accountable for this broken scum of an agency.

Nationals signature is on it. They’ll never come out publicly and say what they should have been saying from the beginning and that is that flight safety in the NY airspace is now compromised,

And for the record, I’m a volunteer and couldn’t be happier down here in PHL, but that doesn’t change the fact that operationally this is a complete disaster and the worst is still 18 months away.

I'm genuinely glad you're happy. It's always refreshing to hear when a fellow Controller is happy(ier) at work. It makes working traffic all the much more exciting and enjoyable - as it should be.

What's significant in 18 months?

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

In 18 months all the N90 controllers go home.

 

[KP-ATC]

In 18 months all the N90 controllers go home.

How much OJT is happening in area C right now?

 

[inthrewtheoutdor]

They had to modify the training program, extending classroom and labs because so many positions are combined all day thay it can't be trained/taught properly. From what I understand no one has hit the floor yet the promise was multiple checkouts by now

 

[RalphBeast]

In 18 months all the N90 controllers go home.

What happens when they go back? Do they get re-assigned to other areas at N90? While I know this is unlikely, what happens if they wash their new area?

 

[32andBelow]

In 18 months all the N90 controllers go home.

Yah right they all get offered another 100k to stay

 

[slater]

Yah right they all get offered another 100k to stay

Exactly. I hear they already tore down the old room. 🤷‍♂️

 

[32andBelow]

Exactly. I hear they already tore down the old room. 🤷‍♂️

Old room? Wasn’t it in an open control room?

 

[Phanatical]

In 18 months all the N90 controllers go home.

No they won’t. I don’t see it happening. They forced the move; they’ll force the stay.

 

[slater]

Old room? Wasn’t it in an open control room?

Yes, but the workings of it dismantled. That's the word. Grain of salt really. I mean wouldn't it make sense also for the FAA to make it no going back to solidify?

 

[32andBelow]

Yes, but the workings of it dismantled. That's the word. Grain of salt really. I mean wouldn't it make sense also for the FAA to make it no going back to solidify?

I can’t even imagine the FAA tearing down a scope that they already have installed. But maybe if they want to make it never get reversed 💀💀

 

[DankVectorz]

How much OJT is happening in area C right now?

Only the 2 trainees that came from N90. The first class of 9 PHL transfers hits the floor next week actually I believe.

I can’t even imagine the FAA tearing down a scope that they already have installed. But maybe if they want to make it never get reversed 💀💀

The removed all the scopes from the EWR area. Probsbly brought them out back and beat them with bats to ensure they can’t be reinstalled.

 

[inthrewtheoutdor]

Connections remain, only scopes removed, agency needs them as backups