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We weren’t doing illegal shit before so not sure wha you’re referencing here?
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We weren’t doing illegal shit before so not sure wha you’re referencing here?
Phanatical
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If you’re talking about the special use line, or whatever it’s called, it was specifically written into the SOP to the best of my knowledge.
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theres a misconception that the SUL allows us to have deals, but that’s not true. It allows LGA to come up to and on the line without a point out is all. Otherwise they’d have to point out damned near every single arrival on some flows.
Sounds like you don’t realize that almost nothing is illegal if you have an approved SOP and LOA. That’s the only way actual facilities can work their traffic.
I think I looked this up once but now I've forgotten... is it just "LGA owns up to and including the line, EWR owns up to 3NM from the line"? If so, why don't you just move the line toward EWR by 1.5NM and treat it like any normal boundary? If not, what exactly is happening and why is it so special?
Also, STARS can do some pretty cool things with automatic quick-look regions. Just saying.
SOP/LOA can't be less restrictive than the .65. You can get waivers which relieve you of .65 requirements, and then of course your docs can reference the waivers, but the process of getting the waivers is different from the process of getting routine facility docs approved. I have seen things get approved which did not jive with the .65 and had to be reverted.
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No, we own to the line as well. EWR departures come off 4’s heading 060 to 3000. The SUL is maybe 2 miles east of EWR so departures are immediately right next to it. LGA downwind for 4 comes down often ON the line at 4000. It’s “special use” because by LOA they don’t have to point out anyone unless they accidentally go over the line.
The dank guy also doesn't totally understand it I think because you actually are allowed to have deals with it. If you have a EWR departure on the west side of the line on a 025 and a LGA in the downwind on the line on a 220 heading that's not divergence but it's diverging from the line so you're allowed to climb even if they're converging .5 miles apart. That's the unique part of the sul, both sides own 4k up to the line, but EWR has to be diverging from the line, but don't have to be separated from the LGA arrivals, before they climb out of 3
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This is correct.
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It’s not a deal if a regulating document says you can do it.
I'm just explaining how is different from a normal airspace boundary I'm not debating whether or not we should be filing atsaps every time we follow the special rules it has but thanks for your clarification boss man 🤡
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Boots said they were allowed to have deals 💀
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Got em
PooseMaGoose
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Whitaker asked about staffing and EWR airspace is briefly mentioned. Staffing portion starts around 1:45.
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In 5-7 years we’ll be fully staffed, don’t worry!
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So what happens to the guys that go back to N90 in 2 years?
slater
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They will be offered 100k to extend and not use thier golden ticket, yet. Is my take. No substance to it, just can small the blood in the water.
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RalphBeast
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Wait, are they able to transfer to any facility in the NAS? Or will they be assigned to a different area at N90?
slater
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They get the golden ticket to go anywhere they want, when they choose to, is my understanding on the agreement.
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That is only for the people who volunteered to go permanent. You can go anywhere after 4 years (technically 3 years but 12 month release). TDY people just go back to N90.
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So do they just get re-assigned to another area? What happens in the off chance that they wash in their new area?
