Renew Slate Book 2026???

[jfol]

Such a bullshit train of thought. Really the mindset should be that you’re taking bodies and putting them where they’re needed. Filling the gap. Bringing the total number of required controllers down while maintaining the number of controllers you have only helps literally everybody.

And even if the overlying airspace needs 1 additional body added to staff for additional airspace, the newly hired controller would pay the same amount of dues as the 2 that were no longer needed at the low level shit hole 24/7 facility that gave up the airspace. It’s net 0 or positive gain for the union $$$ wise.

 

[Sassyquatch]

My facility is 24/7 and I tried working mids for this first time this summer bc I'm a night owl and I thought it would give me some semblance of a 2 day weekend. I was wrong. I'm not a morning person but feeling like garbage for 5 days after a mid isn't worth it.

It was a week-day mid and usually between midnight at 5 am I worked 3 planes total. Sometimes we still had arrivals til 12:30. But I know for a fact that if I suggested something like this there will be a dozen people up in arms about it

 

[jfol]

My facility is 24/7 and I tried working mids for this first time this summer bc I'm a night owl and I thought it would give me some semblance of a 2 day weekend. I was wrong. I'm not a morning person but feeling like garbage for 5 days after a mid isn't worth it.

It was a week-day mid and usually between midnight at 5 am I worked 3 planes total. Sometimes we still had arrivals til 12:30. But I know for a fact that if I suggested something like this there will be a dozen people up in arms about it

You’re lucky you get a choice.

The mids are brutal when you don’t work any traffic. At my place the high seniority and traffic dodgers love the mids for the 3 day weekends and no traffic.

 

[RomeoTangoRT]

I love the cannibalism

 

[Termine]

Did I miss something? Why are we talking about this? Who said they plan to extend the contract again? Or are we just getting fired up over nothing?

Last I heard (about four-five months ago) word from on high was that they're planning on extending. Don't believe me, ask your facrep or RVP.

 

[ChuckNovember]

Last NCEPT panel selected up to 100%, so just about any facility is open if you want to go there. The holdup is whether a facility can let you go. As far and hopeless as it seems, what is a viable solution to that. People on here bitch about staffing and 6day work weeks, how would they feel if someone got released dropping their facility to 75%? 70%? 65%? Where do you draw the line? It's currently at 85% which seems to be a reasonable threshold, but many say it should be lower...really?

I'm not (and will never be) an NCEPT apologist by any means, but a majority of the transfer "issues" that people choose to highlight are a product of the NAS-wide staffing shortages, not NCEPT. Can you reasonably expect the FAA to agree to a Transfer System that drops facility staffing health below an ability to staff it even with 6day workweeks?

This is a valid point and this is where I think there is room to improve. The experience at most centers is that ~2 areas are on 6-day status while there are usually a couple in the same building that are struggling to get 3.5 hours TOP. ZBQ is a great example of this; 6 days forever in some areas, splitting sectors with no airplanes in others (75% rule). Z controllers don’t cross train so there is no reason to consider them one facility for the purposes of staffing/NCEPT.

As a result of the asinine placement system imposed since 2015 there are scores of Z controllers who would be happy to transfer to a facility that gets no OKC grads and instantly be at the top of the pay band where they want to live.

 

[Raise when?]

Last I heard (about four-five months ago) word from on high was that they're planning on extending. Don't believe me, ask your facrep or RVP.

Lmao. I’d change my .65 name to raze and decertify natca

 

[DidYouDoYourNATPRO]

Increasing pay would neither fix staffing nor get us better talent. It would only get us more off thr street applicants.

Imagine being so stupid that you couldn't put the two thoughts in this statement together. You're almost there man, keep going

 

[Raise when?]

Imagine being so stupid that you couldn't put the two thoughts in this statement together. You're almost there man, keep going

He DID NOT do his NATPRO

 

[doodii]

I just want a (insert color here) book that isn’t so vague where NATCA and the Agency can interpret it to their own needs and NOT THE EMPLOYEE. Because we all know employee interpretation < Parties interpretation.

A glossary defining terms would be nice. Get rid of “normally shall” and replace with “shall.”

 

[Raise when?]

I just want a (insert color here) book that isn’t so vague where NATCA and the Agency can interpret it to their own needs and NOT THE EMPLOYEE. Because we all know employee interpretation < Parties interpretation.

A glossary defining terms would be nice. Get rid of “normally shall” and replace with “shall.”

But mai collaboration!

 

[doodii]

But mai collaboration!

I fully support collaboration. I truly do. I just think things could be better and more transparent for employees.

 

[omgwtfbbq69lol]

Just the rumor mill, but the only reason I heard for extending was to keep article 124 since the FAA wants to get rid of it

 

[CoffeeIV]

Just the rumor mill, but the only reason I heard for extending was to keep article 124 since the FAA wants to get rid of it

I refuse to believe this is true and hope it's just bs.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Unfortunately I wouldn’t be surprised. A124 for the few instead of more money for the many.

I hope it is false as well. Can’t wait to see the plan Santa keeps preaching but I’m probably too stupid so it’s better left known only to the natca elites.

 

[32andBelow]

So initially I was going to say most of you just apply for places youll never get to but I started looking and really it's a mix of issues with the BUE having unrealistic expectations and NCEPT simply failing in some areas.

I made a table of the top 27 facilities by ERRs inbound to see what facilities were most in demand. 27 being the number because I only selected 10 rows for the table so it is what it is:

Facility	Projected Staffing	ERRs Inbound	Gains to target		Facility	Projected Staffing	ERRs Inbound	Gains to target		Facility	Projected Staffing	ERRs Inbound	Gains to target
DFW	81.5%	81	13		D01	85.1%	41	17		ZTL	82.6%	33	83
DEN	111%	78	5		TPA	95.5%	41	4		SCT	74.7%	32	84
CLT	84%	72	13		ZFW	83.9%	41	62		ZOB	81.8%	31	77
IAH	95.2%	60	27		D10	80.2%	40	27		ATL	88.8%	29	8
MCO	107.2%	46	0		DAL	82.3%	38	5		MSP	90.2%	28	4
PHX	92.7%	45	3		ZJX	83.3%	38	58		AUS	89.7%	27	7
PCT	83.5%	43	35		ZHU	83.7%	37	56		HOU	85.5%	27	4
F11	89.4%	42	7		ZDV	84.4%	34	47		ZBW	82.7%	26	50
I90	82.1%	42	20		SEA	84.3%	33	50		A80	68.2%	24	77

Issue 1: I believe any facility under 100% (highlighted % in red) should be exempt from the NCEPT staffing rules. These are all higher level facilities that for the most part have many people trying to go there and would have a better chance of checking out than an academy grad. Most are 10s or higher except for a few I believe. Maybe level 10+ is exempt from NCEPT 85% or whatever rule. The con to doing this, you're short staffing lower facilities on purpose. Short staffing all facilities some versus the lower by a lot and the higher by less.

Issue 2: Some facilities will simply never pick you up. ERRs inbound (highlighted in blue) shows that 17 of the top 29 sought after facilities simply have far more ERRs inbound than what gains to target will allow. The FAA isn't going to staff a facility 200% just because you want to go there.

Ah but the problem is that those facilities have people that want to leave but likely can’t. There’s so many places that cannot pick up or release. I think that you should have to be able to do one or the other or both but not none at all times.

 

[Move78]

Just the rumor mill, but the only reason I heard for extending was to keep article 124 since the FAA wants to get rid of it

Dumbest rumor of 2023. 1 article? You work with idiots

 

[Fat Porrey]

Dumbest rumor of 2023. 1 article? You work with idiots

“We don’t care about eliminating sick leave buy back, we just want to get rid of Article 124!” -said no FAA management member, ever.

 

[Raise when?]

“We don’t care about eliminating sick leave buy back, we just want to get rid of Article 124!” -said no FAA management member, ever.

Lol I won’t have any SL for them to buy back 🫶🏻✊🏻😃

Isn’t it paid out at like 40%? I’d consider selling it back for 200%…

 

[Fat Porrey]

Lol I won’t have any SL for them to buy back 🫶🏻✊🏻😃

Isn’t it paid out at like 40%? I’d consider selling it back for 200%…

That’s why the agency wanting to remove it is a joke…sure, have it!