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[CF]

 

[AeroController]

So when are furloughs happening?

When you scan your badge to get into the facility and it won't let you in

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

All this talk of furloughs is bull shit, where did it even come from? No new information to support it. Unfortunately if OJTI don’t start within a month or so though they will table it until the spring. So there might be big news regarding that soon. But then the trainees can just keep sitting at home, they won’t get “furloughed”. At least they will know what situation they are in for months and can get a second job in the meantime, double dip. If anyone says “you can’t do that on excused leave time” tell them to fuck off and if they don’t like it get you back in the building to train.

I started a second job a few weeks ago and I can’t explain how much I miss 40 minute breaks and straight 8s. #BestJobInTheWorld

 

[Soss]

I started a second job a few weeks ago and I can’t explain how much I miss 40 minute breaks and straight 8s. #BestJobInTheWorld

I have to deal with the general public, and somehow feel guilty for having to take a day off I was scheduled for. Gotta love retail

 

[Phillytroll69]

CaptainObvious you seem really nice. Really enhance the forum with the nasty little one off fuckboi comments. you scammed a hardship after whining like a baby about transferring and youre still a miserable bitch! pshhh, some people

How can it be a scam if it's in the contract? Are your breaks scams? Is trying to take my earned leave during these schedules a scam? People shouldn't be taking leave when we have these 5/5 schedules ruining it for everyone.

 

[Robert_Boucher]

How can it be a scam if it's in the contract? Are your breaks scams? Is trying to take my earned leave during these schedules a scam? People shouldn't be taking leave when we have these 5/5 schedules ruining it for everyone.

There are pretty clear guidelines in the contract as to why a hardship should get approved, and there have been plenty that have been approved outside of the guidelines. Why shouldn't people take leave while we are on 5/5?

 

[CaptainObvious]

There are pretty clear guidelines in the contract as to why a hardship should get approved, and there have been plenty that have been approved outside of the guidelines. Why shouldn't people take leave while we are on 5/5?

But if it meets those criteria how can it be a scam? He launched that attack and ghosted. Not altogether unexpected though.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

If hardships aren’t scammable, why to ZOA and ZNY lead the agency in hardships by a mile even when you take into account per capita controller population by facility? Most of the other high ranking facilities for hardships are also places that have never been able to release though NCEPT.

Some are legit but they are often a scam tool used by connected people to get out a facility they otherwise never could. Hardship approval criteria are “clearly defined in the contract” lol. I would love to see a case study of all those ZNY cases compared to similar cases at a level 6 up/down.

Bet there is a huge discrepancy in what case was approved and denied based on where your at.

 

[Robert_Boucher]

But if it meets those criteria how can it be a scam? He launched that attack and ghosted. Not altogether unexpected though.

If it's within the guidelines it's not a scam. But I have seen people try to force a situation to fall within the guidelines and it was definitely a scam. For example a spouse didn't want to move to a location so they tried going the route of being the sole caregivers of their parents to move to a more desirable location. It never got approved but it was a scam from the get go.

Edit to add:

I don't believe all hardships are scams, but I definitely think there are those out there that are taking advantage of A99 (ZOA&ZNY). At the same time there are a lot of people on here that here hardship and automatically get triggered because they think there are no valid reasons to have a hardship approved.

 

[CaptainObvious]

If it's within the guidelines it's not a scam. But I have seen people try to force a situation to fall within the guidelines and it was definitely a scam. For example a spouse didn't want to move to a location so they tried going the route of being the sole caregivers of their parents to move to a more desirable location. It never got approved but it was a scam from the get go.

But you referenced being approved out of guidelines and that case obviously was beaten down. It’s easy for everyone to throw shade and toss the scam term out there, but unless it’s your specific situation, there’s really no point in getting worked up about what someone else is doing. If you can meet the criteria to get approved then do it, not tear down your colleagues based on what they are doing or going through. And for the ones that get approved outside of the criteria, the FAA and NATCA both sign off on it, so be mad at them and not the person who simply asked for something.

 

[FL747]

My girl got a fun email from a NATCA rep with the F word in the subject. Turned out to be clickbait, I think, but there will be a new Virtual Academy course available on how the FAA funding process works.

 

[Robert_Boucher]

But you referenced being approved out of guidelines and that case obviously was beaten down. It’s easy for everyone to throw shade and toss the scam term out there, but unless it’s your specific situation, there’s really no point in getting worked up about what someone else is doing. If you can meet the criteria to get approved then do it, not tear down your colleagues based on what they are doing or going through. And for the ones that get approved outside of the criteria, the FAA and NATCA both sign off on it, so be mad at them and not the person who simply asked for something.

I don't get upset or bothered if it's approved or not approved. I have hardshipped myself so it would be hypocritical of me to get bothered by someone else's hardship.

I think people have the idea that if you are using the first qualification for hardship then a person should have some life debilitating disease that requires them to be seen by a specialist. Technically all those allergy hardship from ZOA still fit in that category.

 

[32andBelow]

I don't get upset or bothered if it's approved or not approved. I have hardshipped myself so it would be hypocritical of me to get bothered by someone else's hardship.

I think people have the idea that if you are using the first qualification for hardship then a person should have some life debilitating disease that requires them to be seen by a specialist. Technically all those allergy hardship from ZOA still fit in that category.

Controllers like to tear each other down instead of questioning the batshit insane placement process that causes 75% of these

 

[CF]

5/5 in it of itself is a freaking scam dude. Nobody gives a shit about the virus or else you wouldn’t have people running to bars, or taking road trips on their 5 off. The FAA needs to tell the union to take a hike, go back to normal schedules, and restart training. 5 months of this shit is ridiculous. If anyone doesn’t wanna work, they can find a new job.

That’s a fairly absolute statement. I know plenty of controllers who are being very cautious right now. Way more than aren’t. Sure some assholes are being careless but you can’t do shit about that.

The FAA is going to keep this going as long as it has to because having to quarantine entire facilities or areas because of an outbreak just doesn’t work. Literally the worst thing for them is a prolonged service interruption. I still think we can train though, just put the trainees in a crew and have them train on whatever combined positions you have now.

 

[Roger_Roger]

So what the consensus on working for uber eats or door dash if you're a cpc-it on excused? Are we allowed to "legally". I know i would have to do a 1099 at the end of the year and idk if the faa would frown about that... is anyone doing it on excused?

 

[Soss]

So what the consensus on working for uber eats or door dash if you're a cpc-it on excused? Are we allowed to "legally". I know i would have to do a 1099 at the end of the year and idk if the faa would frown about that... is anyone doing it on excused?

Been answered a thousand times already give your balls a tug and do it

 

[StealthChain]

So what the consensus on working for uber eats or door dash if you're a cpc-it on excused? Are we allowed to "legally". I know i would have to do a 1099 at the end of the year and idk if the faa would frown about that... is anyone doing it on excused?

The 1099 shouldn't matter. It doesn't say what hours you worked, only that you worked. For all they know you only slept 6 hours a night, did your 8 hours of excused and worked the rest of the hours of the day.

I don't know if you're doing zoom or not, but that would be the only way you could actually be held accountable I would assume. If they decided they wanted to call you back, even in the middle of a delivery, you could drop the food and then close the app.

 

[JNev]

So what the consensus on working for uber eats or door dash if you're a cpc-it on excused? Are we allowed to "legally". I know i would have to do a 1099 at the end of the year and idk if the faa would frown about that... is anyone doing it on excused?

I used my wife's name and no one knows the difference, but I would have no qualms using my own

 

[32andBelow]

Lowe’s is hiring then you can get discounts to knock out projects over the next year while we continue not to train

 

[CF]

Lowe’s is hiring then you can get discounts to knock out projects over the next year while we continue not to train

I was just talking to my wife about wishing we owned since I’d have lots of extra time to do shit with this schedule. Discount on hardware would be a bonus.