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PushingTin
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I'm at a facility with CIP. Considering it is an Incentive to work at said facility, it works.
lol. l imagine any of the 320ish facilities would feel incentivized if given incentives.
I'm at a facility with CIP. Considering it is an Incentive to work at said facility, it works.
That could be it. I imagine it has to do with how motivated mgmt is?Lucky you. Some facilities don't believe in it I guess. Or maybe it's by region?
Must be N90.I know of like 10 controllers at one facility alone that have received Time Off and Cash awards in the last couple months.
My guess is the ATM at your facility told your supervisors to do some one week. But it's a Fiscal Year budget item and it's available until the amount is used up.In the NW Mountain Region my supervisor told us in team briefing that TOA submissions are only open for one week out of the entire year.
Nah, a lower level.Must be N90.
This document is probably why nobody gets Time Off/Cash awards anymore, and why controllers get tape talks for their phraseology after saves instead. I wonder if theres an MOU somewhere to give ATMs bonuses for not giving any TOAs that's been swept under the rug.
Must be N90.
If you're talking about LAN a few years ago, it was not a rumor. TOAs at my last facility were controlled by the district mostly. We were given 30 some hours for the whole year last year and after management split up those hours among everyone the district took almost all of them back to give to the facilities effected by the hurricanes. Not that I didn't think those facilities deserved more (the agency thought so as well), but I didn't understand why we had to give up what little we had when the agency could of just gave them more.Pure rumor but I heard of an ATM taking an alotted amount of TOA and just giving it to another facility instead of giving it to their own controllers. I also think there's something that gives them bonuses if they use no OT and have more TOP. Remember when you were a kid and if you read 10 books you got a free personal pan pizza at Pizza Hut? Same deal.
That said I've gotten both in recent times. They have been a lot less than I've seen in the past though.
This past year my ATM put in for some TOAs for a situation our controllers worked through for several months. The district initially denied the request but someone within the district with some control heard about the situation, call our ATM up, and got us hours because he though the situation was deserving.
Exactly...what's the incentive for me to push departures on the heavy arrival hour? Why am I going to lock and load on the runway with one over the threshold and the next one 4.5 out? Will I get a pat on the back for getting out 50 departures and saving us a call from the command center asking why we're in delays? Hell to the fuck no. But if I have a sep loss trying to be superman you can bet your chode I'll be in the office answering questions. Not that I'd compromise safety for a 2 hour TOA but you get the picture.Why are TOAs such a tightly controlled deal? Seems like it would help morale greatly
Theres a guy here who had a save a few years ago, talked a helicopter with total engine failure in and moved everyone else out of his way. Got called into the office on his next shift, thought he was getting put in for a save but told me he got proc'd on his "non-standard phraseology" during said incident. And that's the day I lost all faith in my fac management.Nope. We’ve even had sups put people in for TOA’s but it always get denied
I got 2 TOAs and 2 Cash Awards in my 2 years at SJU. Not shit in my 3+ years current facility. And before DankVectorz rolls in and calls me a shitty controller (not unreasonable), nobody at the facility can remember anyone getting a TOA in the last 10 years.I've gotten both a cash award and a TOA in the last year and a half....
lol. l imagine any of the 320ish facilities would feel incentivized if given incentives.
Then go to one. The list isn't a secret.
Don’t know where you work, but would anyone who wants to work or is working in California seriously decide not to go there if there wasn’t CIP?I'm at a facility with CIP. Considering it is an Incentive to work at said facility, it works.
Don’t know where you work, but would anyone who wants to work or is working in California seriously decide not to go there if there wasn’t CIP?
There are bonuses based on facility money not spent for ATMs...This document is probably why nobody gets Time Off/Cash awards anymore, and why controllers get tape talks for their phraseology after saves instead. I wonder if theres an MOU somewhere to give ATMs bonuses for not giving any TOAs that's been swept under the rug.
PushingTin Atlanta TRACON used to get CIP, according to the old timers here, but when the facility moved 25 minute drive south, the CIP disappeared for the TRACON and magically even for the tower. As far as I know, the tower is still located on the airport property...
If you took ANY leave during a shift, you don’t get ANY TOA for that entire day.