The great "CIP" mystery

[PushingTin]

I was actually thinking to myself during the first paragraph of that post that it was reading like a Trump tweet, then you posted him at the end

great minds. Cheers to 300 more posts!

 

[Move78]

Thats another interesting anecdote, if true. and another story of a different (arbitrary?) standard being used when it comes to doling out the top secret (dont-ask-dont-tell) 30 million. An exact counter to that would be when the BOS Tracon guys moved up to A90 consolidated Tracon and were grandfathered in and kept their Boston, MA area CIP since it was a forced move "it wasnt fair to take a pay cut". Not all regions are created equal? I'm assuming the same thing happened w the K90 consolidation? what happened to the Cape 7.3%, or maybe they were just happy to get leveled up?! Will it get diverted to the AZO super Great Lakes TRACON? If K90's went away, who will fill that void, will someone else unwrap the right Wonka Bar and get a golden ticket into that member$ only club!? #CIPMysteryContinues




A80 controller reminiscing on the glory days of CIP...

This sounds nice and fair and in good faith. Makes total sense. There was actually an executive order on it.

NATCA got K90 the deal of a lifetime

 

[XRadar]

The funny one is SMF with a higher percentage than NCT. Same city, but NCT controllers get more because 12 v 6. Still a weird dynamic.

 

[Stinger]

The funny one is SMF with a higher percentage than NCT. Same city, but NCT controllers get more because 12 v 6. Still a weird dynamic.

Slight correction, SMF is a 5.

 

[PushingTin]

The funny one is SMF with a higher percentage than NCT. Same city, but NCT controllers get more because 12 v 6. Still a weird dynamic.

very interesting indeed. 3.5% (SMF) vs 3.2% (NCT). A controller whose base is 150k @ NCT makes $4800 in CIP, if youre at 75k @ SMF you make $2625 in CIP. You'd think something billed as a "cost of living differential", would be to actually offset a higher cost of living, which in no way depends on how many ops you work . Give SMF 6.4% CIP! Groceries dont cost less for the lower level controllers. Unless CIP is not to offset cost of living.

Which facility is harder to "attract and retain controllers"? Unless CIP is not to "attract and retain controllers".

 

[liter a cola]

very interesting indeed. 3.5% (SMF) vs 3.2% (NCT). A controller whose base is 150k @ NCT makes $4800 in CIP, if youre at 75k @ SMF you make $2625 in CIP. You'd think something billed as a "cost of living differential", would be to actually offset a higher cost of living, which in no way depends on how many ops you work . Give SMF 6.4% CIP! Groceries dont cost less for the lower level controllers. Unless CIP is not to offset cost of living.

Which facility is harder to "attract and retain controllers"? Unless CIP is not to "attract and retain controllers".

I ******* laughed way too hard at this gif. Just to be a smart ass I should make that face and hand gesture the next time I work approach and tuck a slowtation behind a heavy tanker.

 

[HenryTheAce]

Our local literally begged management to give TOAs for the Super Bowl, at the end of the government shutdown. Management gave the SMEs TOA and $500 each. Management’s current solution for controllers: 2 hours of TOA for each shift worked between Thursday and Monday (max of 8 hours even though some like myself worked 5 shifts) and no credit for anyone working a mid shift(s). If you took ANY leave during a shift, you don’t get ANY TOA for that entire day. So now we wait and see how this plays out...

That’s what they did for us last year at ZMP when the super bowl was there

 

[Dontbotherme]

That’s what they did for us last year at ZMP when the super bowl was there

So you guys got 2 hours per day worked or something different?

 

[Oz3l0t]

So you guys got 2 hours per day worked or something different?

M98 got that, and the folks who did the extra routes got cash as well.

 

[CF]

If they were trying to retain/attract controllers with CIP they would have raised SMFs when they got downgraded. Pretty sure theyre on the way back to a 6 though.

 

[HenryTheAce]

So you guys got 2 hours per day worked or something different?

2hrs per day worked for a maximum of 8hrs. Plus they gave some extra TOA to people and cash awards to people as well.

 

[PushingTin]

If they were trying to retain/attract controllers with CIP they would have raised SMFs when they got downgraded. Pretty sure theyre on the way back to a 6 though.

No one knows what it's for!
#TheGreatCIPMysteryContinues

 

[DankVectorz]

The answer to this issue is simple, and I’m surprised PushingTin hasnt suggrsted it already, but just give all the CIP to N90.

 

[liter a cola]

The answer to this issue is simple, and I’m surprised PushingTin hasnt suggrsted it already, but just give all the CIP to N90.

Approved!

 

[twn]

The answer to this issue is simple, and I’m surprised PushingTin hasnt suggrsted it already, but just give all the CIP to N90.

As if they need a reason for their egos to get any bigger.....

 

[DankVectorz]

As if they need a reason for their egos to get any bigger.....

I don’t believe my ego can get any bigger but I am willing to find out

 

[pedaNTIc]

Don’t know where you work, but would anyone who wants to work or is working in California seriously decide not to go there if there wasn’t CIP?

Working in CA. Yes, there are places in the immediate area I'd like to go that are lower in CIP than where I am now, so why would I do that? It's a pay cut. That's just general priniciple, not even getting into facility specifics or cultures or politics. As for people on the outside of the state looking in, they hear about the insane cost of living and that's usually enough to deter unless they're locals want to return home or just really like the weather. Very few do the homework on what is paid where, but for those that do it works out okay because of the incentive applied. Not exactly rolling in it, but it helps and it works.

I just can't believe how much of the US is paid the base 'rest of US' locality, but that's another subject. In the military BAH (housing allowance) is worked out by zip code all across the country.

 

[bdlb26]

Another factor I didnt see anyone here mention is if an airport is in a dangerous/bad part of town. Dude I work with thought that's why ADS gets it. Don't know anything about ROC but maybe that explains why they get it and not the others in nearby cities?

 

[liter a cola]

Another factor I didnt see anyone here mention is if an airport is in a dangerous/bad part of town. Dude I work with thought that's why ADS gets it. Don't know anything about ROC but maybe that explains why they get it and not the others in nearby cities?

10 percent or less ain't worth getting shot. Hell I'd work in the shitty part of town if I could just keep my glock in the truck. Tons of controllers have CCW's and some facilities will even let you park outside the gate, then some facilities will flip out even if you park outside the gate.

 

[Shikaka]

I've been paid a lot less to get shot at by a lot worse.