Hardships

[julietoscar]

you don't actually have to give a list of facilities. there were two facilities close to where I needed to be and I only put in for 1 and it got approved.

Ok well let's say you put in for an area where there are like 10 facilities

 

[Move78]

Ok well let's say you put in for an area where there are like 10 facilities

They’ll deny it and give you Tampa

 

[Electricfence]

If you put in a hardship for a metropolitan area, give two facilities, and they say you can go right now to a facility you did not list, within one level and in the same area and you say no, Youll wait for the others. Your hardship should be immediately denied. How much of a hardship could it be if you deny going right away?

 

[kombucha23]

If you put in a hardship for a metropolitan area, give two facilities, and they say you can go right now to a facility you did not list, within one level and in the same area and you say no, Youll wait for the others. Your hardship should be immediately denied. How much of a hardship could it be if you deny going right away?

Grandpa’s dying but only for DFW baby!

 

[julietoscar]

If you put in a hardship for a metropolitan area, give two facilities, and they say you can go right now to a facility you did not list, within one level and in the same area and you say no, Youll wait for the others. Your hardship should be immediately denied. How much of a hardship could it be if you deny going right away?

What? That's not even what I'm saying or asking. I was just curious what the placement process was for hardships like if there's any rhyme or reason to it or what

 

[Electricfence]

What? That's not even what I'm saying or asking. I was just curious what the placement process was for hardships like if there's any rhyme or reason to it or what

That wasn’t a comment on you. Sorry if you took it that way. I’ve seen a lot of bullshit hardships. So I’m just being a hater.

To answer your question if you out in for that area, pretty sure they only ones you’d be eligible for are within 3 levels of your current facility or your experience of certifications. I’d suggest putting all the ones you would actually go to. But you’ll know ahead of times which have a spot based on the PPT. If there is a spot at the one you put down and your hardship is approved that’s what you’ll get. Simple as that. If you put down multiple they will most likely chose the facility with the least staffing.

 

[Dolan]

If you put in a hardship for a metropolitan area, give two facilities, and they say you can go right now to a facility you did not list, within one level and in the same area and you say no, Youll wait for the others. Your hardship should be immediately denied. How much of a hardship could it be if you deny going right away?

Nope, sorry. Been a tracon controller for all 15 years of my career and you're out of your mind if you think I'm going to learn tower at a level 12, essentially a brand new developmental , while dealing with my dying father every day after work.


(Is probably what they'd say)

 

[Electricfence]

Nope, sorry. Been a tracon controller for all 15 years of my career and you're out of your mind if you think I'm going to learn tower at a level 12, essentially a brand new developmental , while dealing with my dying father every day after work.


(Is probably what they'd say)

Then file fmla, take your 480 hours and wait it out and actually take care of your father, instead of coming to work while worrying about your dying father, bitching about it and making the people around you miserable. Is what I’d like to say.


However, that’s a real case of a hardship. But you and I both know Not all hardships are real and people are still picky. Those people are pieces of shit.

 

[Phillytroll69]

That wasn’t a comment on you. Sorry if you took it that way. I’ve seen a lot of bullshit hardships. So I’m just being a hater.

To answer your question if you out in for that area, pretty sure they only ones you’d be eligible for are within 3 levels of your current facility or your experience of certifications. I’d suggest putting all the ones you would actually go to. But you’ll know ahead of times which have a spot based on the PPT. If there is a spot at the one you put down and your hardship is approved that’s what you’ll get. Simple as that. If you put down multiple they will most likely chose the facility with the least staffing.

Can you define all these bs ones you've seen

 

[Acquired Taste]

Can you define all these bs ones you've seen

Yeah! Give me some good ideas!

 

[Electricfence]

Can you define all these bs ones you've seen

Pretty much every time someone exaggerates allergies, my spouse is depressed or needs their mommy without trying anything to solve the problem like you know being a supportive spouse, saying a kid/parent/family member is sick when you aren’t even remotely close to being their primary care giver or the person isn’t actually that sick, hard shipping back to a facility you just washed at.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Pretty much every time someone exaggerates allergies,

Agree a lot of these are iffy as far as adults go. Take some Claritin, quit being a baby back bitch.

my spouse is depressed or needs their mommy without trying anything to solve the problem like you know being a supportive spouse,

Sometimes solving the problem requires moving, and being supportive means changing career aspirations. I value the health and mental well being of my spouse over my coworkers feefees.

saying a kid/parent/family member is sick when you aren’t even remotely close to being their primary care giver or the person isn’t actually that sick,

Wanting to be around to be supportive and/or be able to spend time with a loved one on their last legs is bad if you aren't thier full time home nurse? Kind of a cold hearted take if you ask me, and ya fuck Dem kids I guess? little Timmy's tree pollen induced asthma attacks shouldn't affect your ability to ERR!

hard shipping back to a facility you just washed at.

This one I haven't seen, but I could see situations where it'd be a reality for some people.

I've seen my fair share of garbage hardships in my time in the agency, at this point I just say don't hate the player hate the game. No one else is looking out for you or your loved ones like you are. Agency wants to make it difficult to get where you want in your career, pay level, location or otherwise, and the union doesn't see fit to try and change it, regardless of what BUEs think, people are gonna find ways to do what they need to do.

That's no reason to be spiteful at perfectly legitimate reasons people hardship though.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Agree a lot of these are iffy as far as adults go. Take some Claritin, quit being a baby back bitch.


Sometimes solving the problem requires moving, and being supportive means changing career aspirations. I value the health and mental well being of my spouse over my coworkers feefees.


Wanting to be around to be supportive and/or be able to spend time with a loved one on their last legs is bad if you aren't thier full time home nurse? Kind of a cold hearted take if you ask me, and ya fuck Dem kids I guess? little Timmy's tree pollen induced asthma attacks shouldn't affect your ability to ERR!


This one I haven't seen, but I could see situations where it'd be a reality for some people.

I've seen my fair share of garbage hardships in my time in the agency, at this point I just say don't hate the player hate the game. No one else is looking out for you or your loved ones like you are. Agency wants to make it difficult to get where you want in your career, pay level, location or otherwise, and the union doesn't see fit to try and change it, regardless of what BUEs think, people are gonna find ways to do what they need to do.

That's no reason to be spiteful at perfectly legitimate reasons people hardship though.

I think you basically covered it.

So doctors, the medical examiner, the people involved all agree that it's real and an undue hardship...except for they don't agree with electricfence's liberal feelings?

If you aren't getting paid to evaluate hardships maybe you're getting a little to caught up in the job when your feelings are hurt.

Plus the new ncept rules should take care of all the iffy ones(in your professional medical/feeling opinion)

 

[Electricfence]

Agree a lot of these are iffy as far as adults go. Take some Claritin, quit being a baby back bitch.


Sometimes solving the problem requires moving, and being supportive means changing career aspirations. I value the health and mental well being of my spouse over my coworkers feefees.


Wanting to be around to be supportive and/or be able to spend time with a loved one on their last legs is bad if you aren't thier full time home nurse? Kind of a cold hearted take if you ask me, and ya fuck Dem kids I guess? little Timmy's tree pollen induced asthma attacks shouldn't affect your ability to ERR!


This one I haven't seen, but I could see situations where it'd be a reality for some people.

I've seen my fair share of garbage hardships in my time in the agency, at this point I just say don't hate the player hate the game. No one else is looking out for you or your loved ones like you are. Agency wants to make it difficult to get where you want in your career, pay level, location or otherwise, and the union doesn't see fit to try and change it, regardless of what BUEs think, people are gonna find ways to do what they need to do.

That's no reason to be spiteful at perfectly legitimate reasons people hardship though.

I respect the power of mental health also. Very much so actuslly. But lying about it doesn’t show their respect either. I agree my family and I are more important than my co workers. But I’ll be honest when my coworker didn’t talk to their spouse about what was about to happen whe they signed up, don’t let them work, and might be only 3 years at a facility that is a constant revolving door and you’d get out.

I don’t have a problem with want to spend time with a loved one on their last legs. But you have fmla for that. You can take leave or lwop. It’s an option that is never considered. The people I’ve seen do that had no intention of seeing their family member regularly and hadn’t seen them in many years. So clearly wasn’t a priority to begin with. If little Timmy had legit problems I’m all for a hardship. But when they don’t see the doctor for their consortium in nearly 2 years then all of a sudden it’s mandatory they move. That’s complete bullshit. Again lying about it shows no respect for their kids .


I have zero problems with legit hardships. And understand the example I have actually have legit life consequences that would require a hardship. But I’ve seen more Bull than reality.


I think we would agree more than we disagree

 

[Phillytroll69]

I respect the power of mental health also. Very much so actuslly.

I don’t have a problem with want to spend time with a loved one on their last legs. But you have fmla for that. You can take leave or lwop. It’s an option that is never considered. ... If little Timmy had legit problems I’m all for a hardship. But when they don’t see the doctor for their consortium in nearly 2 years then all of a sudden it’s mandatory they move. That’s complete bullshit.


I have zero problems with legit hardships. And understand the example I have actually have legit life consequences that would require a hardship. But I’ve seen more Bull than reality.


I think we would agree more than we disagree

NCEPT won't work.

Let's say this-your wife gets covicron9000 and had to go to John Hopkins in Massachusetts so MIT can use cutting edge nano trumptech for the next 4 years, it can literally happen all of the sudden.

You putting in a hardship or taking flma/lwop. There's a reason you don't see people use it, because we have a better hardship option.

What's your doctorate in? Are you part of the medical/review team? Go back to gossiping in the cab.

Mad at people for using something for extraordinary circumstances in their personal life that they didn't tell you about?

Who cares what you saw when you looked at their Facebook, even dying people are allowed to have a good day.

AND even if they did scam, who cares it's one less scammer in your building

 

[Electricfence]

NCEPT won't work.

Let's say this-your wife gets covicron9000 and had to go to John Hopkins in Massachusetts so MIT can use cutting edge nano trumptech for the next 4 years, it can literally happen all of the sudden.

You putting in a hardship or taking flma/lwop. There's a reason you don't see people use it, because we have a better hardship option.

What's your doctorate in? Are you part of the medical/review team? Go back to gossiping in the cab.

Mad at people for using something for extraordinary circumstances in their personal life that they didn't tell you about?

Who cares what you saw when you looked at their Facebook, even dying people are allowed to have a good day.

AND even if they did scam, who cares it's one less scammer in your building

It isn’t extraordinary when you signed up for something and didn’t realize what that meant.

I agree no one cares about you but you, I just find it funny these are the people who also whine about personal responsibility and accountability except when it comes to their own decisions. What did you think going anywhere with no guarantees means?

 

[Phillytroll69]

It isn’t extraordinary when you signed up for something and didn’t realize what that meant.

I agree no one cares about you but you, I just find it funny these are the people who also whine about personal responsibility and accountability except when it comes to their own decisions. What did you think going anywhere with no guarantees means?

I apologize you're upset but your feelings vs a team of doctors/mgmt/union etc have all evaluated it

 

[Electricfence]

I apologize you're upset but your feelings vs a team of doctors/mgmt/union etc have all evaluated it

If you think managment and the union evaluate the actual merits of the case you are kidding yourself. They aren’t allowed to question the doctors that have made shut up about whatever bullshit they signed or have any morals whatsoever you are incredibly naive

 

[Smitty]

If you think managment and the union evaluate the actual merits of the case you are kidding yourself. They aren’t allowed to question the doctors that have made shut up about whatever bullshit they signed or have any morals whatsoever you are incredibly naive

You are 100% correct on Hardships. They are nothing but a scam that enables the Union to pick winners and politic their favorites to their chosen facilities. Lol @ "team of doctors". Ignorant! Next he will be saying cable news is real news!

 

[Peter Gibbons]

It isn’t extraordinary when you signed up for something and didn’t realize what that meant.

I agree no one cares about you but you, I just find it funny these are the people who also whine about personal responsibility and accountability except when it comes to their own decisions. What did you think going anywhere with no guarantees means?

Circumstances change, and people use what avenues they have available to do what they need to do. I don't feel bad for the brand new hire who get sent to the Midwest when they wanted a high level fac in a trendy city and starts whining about it immediately upon getting their list, I do feel bad for the same guy when hes stuck out in bumfuck 4 years later, with no outlook of getting back home while his father loses his last remaining mental acuity to dementia or whose wife left him bc they were stuck out in bumfuck and he wants to see his kids more than once a year.

Getting hired for this job isn't signing up for 25 years of indentured servitude, the FAA isn't doing you any favors by bestowing this esteemed Public service position on you. It's a job. Most jobs offer some form of movement, even if that means changing employers. As you know that's more difficult in this line of work. You are always gonna have scammers but that doesn't mean anyone should be spiteful about the overwhelming majority of hardships that at least have some basis in fact, whether you agree with them or not.