Pushed to the brink? Another NYT article rehashes all the problems that haven't changed since before Reagan and PATCO

[Raise when?]

I was wrong. You aren’t top5fatcat.

I demand an apology!

 

[Wizard]

I demand an apology!

I’m sorry

 

[Raise when?]

I’m sorry

Now when will you join the Razewen mvmt?

 

[corn4ahead]

Im out at 46 years old, see ya!

Cheers! 46 for me too.

 

[Rx]

Drunk and Asleep on the Job: Air Traffic Controllers Pushed to the Brink (Published 2023)

A nationwide shortage of controllers has resulted in an exhausted and demoralized work force that is increasingly prone to making dangerous mistakes.

nytimes.app.goo.gl

New NYT Article suggests controllers get high on break

 

[Phillytroll69]

 

[DankVectorz]

Pushed to the brink? Another NYT article rehashes all the problems that haven't changed since before Reagan and PATCO

The only thing that will result from this article is more drug and alcohol testing (which is fine). All the ATC problems have been solved. Very 1st thing I thought of. More testing for sure!!!!

pointsixtyfive.com

 

[Rx]

I’m just wondering why anyone would chief alone. Send that shit over here too

 

[Hallock36]

A little late to the party, there’s already a 16 page thread on it.

 

[Raise when?]

Cheers! 46 for me too.

48 and a month 😇

 

[ATC Zero]

48 and a month 😇

Many are past the halfway point and can see their own end in sight. That’s the only thing keeping anyone over 12.5 years here for the pension.
The number of people straight up quitting trainees and CPC’s is not surprising, this new generation values QOL and work life balance over money.
The 50k supposedly that apply for the ones that get a FOL I bet the numbers that quit continue to rise regardless of if pay bands get increased.
Obviously that route isn’t the answer so now the CTI route will be TBD.

 

[Expectvectors24]

This article will make everything worse for us not better. If you think otherwise you haven’t been in the agency long enough. I’m halfway into retirement years so I’m golden handcuffed but the 12 I moved to a few years ago, everyone in this city makes more than me and doing it from the couch of their own home.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Nothing attracts quality applicants like making 30k a year to move to OKC for a 50% washout rate to move across the country again making 40k pick up a training delay due to woefully understaffed training departments. Praying politicians don’t use you as political pawn and shutdown the government while your working 2 jobs to pay for your commitments to this job and have people say you’re overpaid.

Don't tell CoffeeIV this.. he is too busy stuck in his tunnel vision and has no clue how pitiful pay is for others. Also, if were so replaceable like he thinks then why TF have we not been replaced yet SINCE THE 80'S? Coffee is one of the most clueless posters on here. Take your blinders off and look at reality.

 

[Bird.Person]

ABC news is on the hunt now as well. Got a random message

 

[Foppery&Whim]

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ABC news is on the hunt now as well. Got a random message

Just tell them to go fuck themselves, and tell them Santa is a dick.

 

[ATC Zero]

Just tell them to go fuck themselves, and tell them Santa is a dick.

Accurate the focus needs to turn on NATCA actually doing what they should be doing. Collaboration has gone rotten and become ineffective in improving the lives of controllers on the boards. They have shown their cards in being able to negotiate OJTI pay they need to go further.
10 hours turns
Rules on how much OT can be assigned per year. Increased OT Pay.
Increase CIC pay to 15% the new FLM standard raise.
Any other ideas for the interim before contract negotiations?

 

[32andBelow]

Accurate the focus needs to turn on NATCA actually doing what they should be doing. Collaboration has gone rotten and become ineffective in improving the lives of controllers on the boards. They have shown their cards in being able to negotiate OJTI pay they need to go further.
10 hours turns
Rules on how much OT can be assigned per year. Increased OT Pay.
Increase CIC pay to 15% the new FLM standard raise.
Any other ideas for the interim before contract negotiations?

They need raises that get to all controllers. CIC time is minuscule in some facilities.

 

[ATC Zero]

They need raises that get to all controllers. CIC time is minuscule in some facilities.

I completely agree all controllers need a raise and soon.
I think CIC pay and 10 hours turns are the quickest and easiest to attain with minimal pushback, they want oversight…..
Collaborate the shit out of that and I hope raises are coming soon.

 

[Move78]

Accurate the focus needs to turn on NATCA actually doing what they should be doing. Collaboration has gone rotten and become ineffective in improving the lives of controllers on the boards. They have shown their cards in being able to negotiate OJTI pay they need to go further.
10 hours turns
Rules on how much OT can be assigned per year. Increased OT Pay.
Increase CIC pay to 15% the new FLM standard raise.
Any other ideas for the interim before contract negotiations?

Does their bargaining unit even want 10 hour turns and an increased restriction on how much they’re allowed to earn?

 

[ATC Zero]

Does their bargaining unit even want 10 hour turns and an increased restriction on how much they’re allowed to earn?

If they don’t want 10 hour turns they are being complicit in the fatigue issues.
If there was a cap at 200 hours that would be max 2 overtime shift per months or 6 months worth of 6 day work weeks.
That’s enough abuse of the workforce.
What ideas are they coming up with currently to improve QOL?