What’s different
Definitely believe management
Great post. This is probably the most detrimental in regards to abacus. I have no inside info but I feel like the only reason the union hasn’t sued the agency for 10 figures for defunding abacus 11 times is because it’s collaborative. And maybe because they’ve been overpaying the midwestern Zs for 10 years
Let's say someone has worked 5 years at a level 5. They are trying to get to KABC a level 7, but are only at 60% staffing...ie not really hope to get out.
To clarify: the new hires get forced to DLH part and then once DLH gets healthy they can release is what they’ve been doing for 9 years until this year.
I’m just asking questions cuz it don’t take long to see that the controllers themselves don’t agree on shit
What jobs are you talking about
I agree seniority to be a factor but it never gets off the ground cuz ain’t nobody wanna be trapped with SquawkHijack ‘s whiny ass 6 days a week just cuz he has seniority.
Any 2152 job on USA jobs you should be able to apply to if you qualify no matter what
You can
And you cant go even if you're the best candidate unless your facility can release you. Again a training failure could wash out of a center, certify at a 5, and be back at that center as a sup faster than someone who stays at zny can say I certified in the pit
Have you guys tried telling your RVPs you want them to negotiate for more deviations?
Considering how this method has worked out on the subject of pay raises, wtf is it supposed to do for us? Possibly the dumbest thing you could recommend if I’m being honest. When are you going to concede that the executive board of NATCA is a good ol’ boys club and doesn’t give a shit about us, yourself included?
That gave me a chuckle, you thinking you know something about me lol. Don’t be late for your league softball game tho, what a beta male. 🤣
Source- I’ve applied on numerous bids in the last couple years and have gotten one (1) interview from them all. And that was when our staffing was like 84.2% to target. Before then, CPCs were getting picked up left and right with absolute garbage staffing. You don’t need data to prove this per se. Why do you think everyone started considering the SSS, TMU and even the OS route to move?
That is hardly a new thing
Well yes you do need data to prove a point on data. And it’s possible they have cut back. But there’s 2 points here. 1: you don’t know that you’re just assuming. 2: it’s possible you’re just not getting that soup job because you suck
The only thing I know about you is you complain a lot and you can’t read MOUs. We all love working with those guys.
Most aren’t even getting interviews now because their staffing sucks. You’re removed from consideration because they do not get staffing deviations anymore. You don’t need a whole spreadsheet precedent of data to prove that something conceptually isn’t happening, it’s called common sense.
Why? So they can hang up the phone and laugh because they don’t give a shit? How many “thank you sir may I have anothers” did you have to take to be blessed into the cult bro?
You’re still not getting it. I don’t want deviations I wants to just be able to apply for jobs I qualify for and get picked by the manager if they manager wants to hire me. Like every other job on the planet.
It’s not that anybody wants all of these things as this obviously isn’t a perfect world. But a lot of these serve as an example of what NATCA could attempt to negotiate for if they gave a shit.
Again, that is the part of the problem. The agency has failed so spectacularly that controllers are willing to pass on benefits they would have gotten 10 years ago. You have the air traffic union doing the agencies job of advocating for proper staffing and modern, functional equipment.
Forget it, he can’t get past his programmed ideology of the release policy lol
This is exactly why we need just normal open applications like a normal job. That will force them to sweeten the offer for some places. Move money, term assignments, bonuses. We have zero leverage for anything at all with NCEPT
