2024 NATCA President Election

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It's not bidens fault that our union isn't asking for things

This. I don't blame Biden for not "giving" us anything, I blame ourselves for not *asking* for anything.
Except we have. CRWG numbers being the most public. Mayor Pete spoke at NiW, saying the administration wants the FAA to use those numbers. The FAA laughed at the weak ass Biden administration and didn't do it. From what I can tell, Biden hasn't, and is not willing to expend political capital or energy on us.

For those on their RDO bender, Pete is the Secretary of Transportation. The FAA doesn't care about the policy requests of the US Secretary of Transportation. Let that sink in for a minute.
 
Except we have. CRWG numbers being the most public. Mayor Pete spoke at NiW, saying the administration wants the FAA to use those numbers. The FAA laughed at the weak ass Biden administration and didn't do it. From what I can tell, Biden hasn't, and is not willing to expend political capital or energy on us.

For those on their RDO bender, Pete is the Secretary of Transportation. The FAA doesn't care about the policy requests of the US Secretary of Transportation. Let that sink in for a minute.
I’m thinking the FAA doesn’t want more controllers or put money to fix equipment because then the amount of their bonuses will decrease.
There used to be a lot more controllers then now and we’re going to believe their talking points of we don’t have enough money for more people or to fix things….I think upper FAA rolling in dough and it’s corrupt. Look at district corruption image what’s going on in D.C., Dallas, OKC….
 
I’m thinking the FAA doesn’t want more controllers or put money to fix equipment because then the amount of their bonuses will decrease.
There used to be a lot more controllers then now and we’re going to believe their talking points of we don’t have enough money for more people or to fix things….I think upper FAA rolling in dough and it’s corrupt. Look at district corruption image what’s going on in D.C., Dallas, OKC….
I agree with you, because we sure as hell aren't seeing any of those bonuses.
 
Except we have. CRWG numbers being the most public. Mayor Pete spoke at NiW, saying the administration wants the FAA to use those numbers. The FAA laughed at the weak ass Biden administration and didn't do it. From what I can tell, Biden hasn't, and is not willing to expend political capital or energy on us.

For those on their RDO bender, Pete is the Secretary of Transportation. The FAA doesn't care about the policy requests of the US Secretary of Transportation. Let that sink in for a minute.
I thought those numbers were in the reauthorizarion. Anyways Natca needs to stop worrying about hiring and staffing and stay worrying about pay and benefits
 
I thought those numbers were in the reauthorizarion. Anyways Natca needs to stop worrying about hiring and staffing and stay worrying about pay and benefits
They are in the passed House version, and not in the current Senate version, which is think is stuck in Committee.
 
They should negotiate the pay bands. Anything else can be caught up in government action like across the board pay freeze
 
They should negotiate the pay bands. Anything else can be caught up in government action like across the board pay freeze
I would say that would be a good step in the right direction but the issue is deeper rooted. The current way that pay is calculated is using a formula that was created decades ago. The aviation industry was completely different. There has only been one side of our career field that has been affected either by the few benefits but mostly all negative effects of the TCI, and that has been the terminal facilities. Sure, ABACUS is supposedly around the corner as the replacement, but its actual details remain quite a mystery regarding how it would affect every facility’s pay setting. I’m not trying to imply that the enroute side needs to feel the pain either. I just want to highlight that the current structure for how pay is determined is broken, to include the level system. There is too much of a pay disparity from the 4s to the 12s for the amount of responsibility, requirements, working conditions, staffing, and risks each of us takes. We all deserve much more.
 
I would say that would be a good step in the right direction but the issue is deeper rooted. The current way that pay is calculated is using a formula that was created decades ago. The aviation industry was completely different. There has only been one side of our career field that has been affected either by the few benefits but mostly all negative effects of the TCI, and that has been the terminal facilities. Sure, ABACUS is supposedly around the corner as the replacement, but its actual details remain quite a mystery regarding how it would affect every facility’s pay setting. I’m not trying to imply that the enroute side needs to feel the pain either. I just want to highlight that the current structure for how pay is determined is broken, to include the level system. There is too much of a pay disparity from the 4s to the 12s for the amount of responsibility, requirements, working conditions, staffing, and risks each of us takes. We all deserve much more.
While they work on changing some of the levels and bands and whatnot they need to raise the bands in terms of the base pay of a level 4 and the pay cap of a level 12. Starting pay should be much higher and the pay cap needs to get off the government pay cap that we fall under
 
They need to stop worrying about traffic count and levels and pay every air traffic controller like the professional they are. The UPS pilot pay scale pays everyone the same no matter how big their plane is. I know that’s a controversial take but I wish we use language that said everyone is important not just the highest levels.
 
They need to stop worrying about traffic count and levels and pay every air traffic controller like the professional they are. The UPS pilot pay scale pays everyone the same no matter how big their plane is. I know that’s a controversial take but I wish we use language that said everyone is important not just the highest levels.
Agreed. Especially since some of us at lower levels might get stuck here the rest of our careers.
 
Agreed. Especially since some of us at lower levels might get stuck here the rest of our careers.
You wouldn’t get stuck if people that want to live there could make a living wage. If I was Natca I’d be painting the picture that any controller anywhere could wind up working a United 232 situation or any other ultra emergency at a moments notice.
 
While they work on changing some of the levels and bands and whatnot they need to raise the bands in terms of the base pay of a level 4 and the pay cap of a level 12. Starting pay should be much higher and the pay cap needs to get off the government pay cap that we fall under
I would hope that they would remove the 4, 5, 6 pay settings and just make 7 the base. Also remove the caps of each pay setting, until reaching the federal max pay. Provide mandatory raises at certain year milestones if staying long term at certain facility to come within closing the gap but not necessarily at the 12 setting, while also still providing incentive to move along to the higher levels.
They need to stop worrying about traffic count and levels and pay every air traffic controller like the professional they are. The UPS pilot pay scale pays everyone the same no matter how big their plane is. I know that’s a controversial take but I wish we use language that said everyone is important not just the highest levels.
I actually share this same exact view.
 
I would hope that they would remove the 4, 5, 6 pay settings and just make 7 the base. Also remove the caps of each pay setting, until reaching the federal max pay. Provide mandatory raises at certain year milestones if staying long term at certain facility to come within closing the gap but not necessarily at the 12 setting, while also still providing incentive to move along to the higher levels.
This is one of the best suggestions I've read on here, bravo.
 
“Let’s talk controller pay”, then talks about drones for 5 minutes

“Let’s talk controller pay”, then talks about drones for 5 minutes
Let’s Talk Controller Pay!!
(I really don’t wanna talk about pay)

“Let’s talk controller pay”, then talks about drones for 5 minutes

I thought the same thing. Saw the video and thought FINALLY. And then listened to 7 minutes of nothing.

“Let’s talk controller pay”, then talks about drones for 5 minutes
So we have three opportunities...CBA January 2026, ABACUS (after years of delay) unknown date, and the TCI with more than 16 known enhancements over 8 years but still no negotiation or date to when that will take place.
All I heard was he knows every metric for pay is outdated and has been for years but he is in no hurry to get any of it solved. This career is a short career when it comes to years work. We can't afford mistakes and outdated pay for years. We can't wait 10 years to negotiate a new contract or bank on promises of programs that have UNKNOWN dates.

So Rich says there’s basically no opportunity to get us the massive raise we need until Jan 2026. Then talks about drones in Kansas City for 5 mins.

Sorry but that doesn’t seem like you should be leading this union anymore. None of the line controllers give a fuck what symposium on drones you went to, when were all working 6 days a week talking to major airline pilots who work 10 days a month and all just got like a 30% raise.

Find some way to even ask for the bag. Rinaldi and Gilbert are getting theirs, and this dumb ass extension was supposedly their idea. Where’s the payout for the Controllers? Absolute joke.

So Rich says there’s basically no opportunity to get us the massive raise we need until Jan 2026. Then talks about drones in Kansas City for 5 mins.

Sorry but that doesn’t seem like you should be leading this union anymore. None of the line controllers give a fuck what symposium on drones you went to, when were all working 6 days a week talking to major airline pilots who work 10 days a month and all just got like a 30% raise.

Find some way to even ask for the bag. Rinaldi and Gilbert are getting theirs, and this dumb ass extension was supposedly their idea. Where’s the payout for the Controllers? Absolute joke.
Yeah man.

That guy on here with the link to the form to drop out of the union….. Thought he was acting a little bit premature, I was going to give it to at least 2025 and see what happens. If there would be a pay adjustment to justify staying in the union.

But I think today is a line of demarcation, we will just get fucked in 2026, it is probably smarter to pull out in January and bank the 1.4% for an extra two years. If you put that in the TSP or a post tax IRA it will be a significant amount by the end of your career.

You may get an idea of how the next contract negotiations will turn out as early as this year. The extensions for the Light Blue (2011 - mostly Region X) and Purple (2013 - some Region X, some staff 2152s) Books, which were signed at the same time as for the Slate Book, expire in July 2024. I have to believe the union has already been conducting mock negotiation sessions.
That’s a really good observation. I think NATCA will fuck with us though. Everyone knows the Slate book and FAA controllers are the only ones that matter. NATCA don’t care about those other books and people anymore then FCT controllers.

So maybe they get a one time 5% or less salary bump for them. Then when everyone is freaking out, they say “don’t worry, we will take care of our core people and have years left to negotiate the new white book”. Then it will come out with the same 5% raise.

Just like other books were extended without negotiations before the ATC one last time.

So Rich says there’s basically no opportunity to get us the massive raise we need until Jan 2026.
Remember in Mick’s first or second pay video he said they can address the CBA “in 2025, at the latest”. I wonder if they pulled that video or if you can still find it.
 
I would hope that they would remove the 4, 5, 6 pay settings and just make 7 the base. Also remove the caps of each pay setting, until reaching the federal max pay. Provide mandatory raises at certain year milestones if staying long term at certain facility to come within closing the gap but not necessarily at the 12 setting, while also still providing incentive to move along to the higher levels.

I actually share this same exact view.
I said almost the same thing 3 years ago; I only dropped levels 4 and 5 then, but I am with you at this point now that 7 should be the new baseline going forward.

There needs to be a realignment in levels that puts everyone on a better footing while also still incentivizing busier/more complex facilities. In all likelihood AG pay needs to be adjusted to something closer to the D1 band as well to help alleviate that as a pressure point; worrying about pinching every penny while in training can be just as much of a stressor as fatigue. My first facility (level 5) didn't want to D3 anyone (no D1 or D2) and wanted to go straight from AG to CPC and that was a metric-ton of bullshit, even for a shit-kicker level 5. Living in a high COLA area on AG pay might technically be plausible, but it shouldn't be celebrated as a sadistic rite of passage that some people make it out to be.

The June raises also need an overhaul as well. Something as "simple" as making it ~2.4% and being permanently cumulative; not impacted by moving facilities or stages of training. That would be on track to get to top of the pay band in roughly 15 years regardless of career movement, which seems reasonable.

There should also be better incentives on the back-end as well. With pensions and social security constantly being at risk, it would be nice to see an increase in TSP matching that would incentivize people to save more for retirement as opposed to many who only match the 5% and don't think about it until the last several years of their career. Since ya'll have a MRA there should be something like a full 9% matching to make the federal government set a standard going forward; I know of many in the private sector being offered 7.5% matching on 10% contribution (100% on the first 5% and 50% on every % up to 10%).

And after seeing the unfortunate news out of ZID, medical needs a f***ing overhaul. Yesterday. F*** any career that bullies you into being afraid of taking care of yourself. NATCA should have been shouting about medical from the rooftops for years now and is doing a disservice to everyone for not planting their flag on that hill.

This is all wishful thinking, but it is the holiday season after all.

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