4th quarter 2017

[breakaway2000]

This is so maddening. I should not care where other people want to go. I should not care about potential hardships, etc. All I want to do is get home and this process literally makes it impossible.

Anyone have any suggestions? Like good lord.

Did you get with your RVP and file a grievance based on last panel?

 

[CaptainObvious]

This is so maddening. I should not care where other people want to go. I should not care about potential hardships, etc. All I want to do is get home and this process literally makes it impossible.

Anyone have any suggestions? Like good lord.

hardships are difficult to get, so generally they have a good reason and it sucks the hate it inspires. It should be positive that someone is moving closer to their kids, or getting help medically etc.


And you're right, coworkers career aspirations shouldn't mean a damn thing in yours

 

[SugarFoot1]

This is so maddening. I should not care where other people want to go. I should not care about potential hardships, etc. All I want to do is get home and this process literally makes it impossible.

Anyone have any suggestions? Like good lord.

It's hard not to get worked up over it. Luckily I'm not in the same spot and the place I wanna go is high but im already having a little survivors guilt bc I haven't been at my fac long and some people have been trying to leave for 4+ years. Just the way the game is now bc the FAA wants certain facilities staffed.

 

[SugarFoot1]

On a side note, everyone make sure you are really looking at the PPT because people do make errors and that error could keep your facility from releasing if it isn't corrected!!

 

[corn4ahead]

Did you get with your RVP and file a grievance based on last panel?

He said multiple times that I didn't have a case and that it would get denied. He said it was not worth filing because it wouldn't get anywhere. He said that just about every grievance filed as a result of NCEPT will get denied because the head NCEPT guy is the final decision maker, no matter what.

 

[corn4ahead]

Lol of course. A monopoly of a system where no wrong can go on. I foresee myself getting selected off one of the coveted DOD bids quicker than I do leaving where I am due to NCEPT.

Honestly, the only chance we have is a change of leadership who will oppose this process.

 

[rugbydog11]

Honestly, the only chance we have is a change of leadership who will oppose this process.

Keep an eye out for DOD jobs at WP... Or sup bids.

 

[breakaway2000]

He said multiple times that I didn't have a case and that it would get denied. He said it was not worth filing because it wouldn't get anywhere. He said that just about every grievance filed as a result of NCEPT will get denied because the head NCEPT guy is the final decision maker, no matter what.

Unfortunately, that is incredibly poor and inexcusable advise from a FacRep, much less an RVP. Your situation was unique and a direct violation of section 6 of the MOU.

Section 6. Facility certified CPC’s shall be considered for placement prior to other employees during the ERR placement process. Employees in training that have never achieved CPC status will be considered on a case-by-case basis.

Being a part of this process, NATCA does have incentive to work things out prior to a grievance, but trying to avoid a bona-fide grievance in that manner is inexcusable. Ex. I know of someone who's facility was downgraded prior to an NCEPT panel, but the facility training success rate did not change to mirror the average of their new facility level on the PPT. This resulted in one less person being able to be released. After the panel, he brought it up to his RVP, who agreed, found out he would've been the next person selected out of his facility and got him a TOL to the same place where you were snubbed (previous panel though). This is what an RVP should do prior to the employee filing a grievance.

Sadly, I believe he was simply trying to appease you in hopes of you reaching the 20 calendar days requirement of filing a grievance per Article 9 of the slate book.

Although the 20 days have passed and they can simply reject your grievance and say "No, the 20 days have passed." I would still file it. Worst case scenario, nothing changes for you, best case scenario, you'll be awarded priority consideration outlined in Section 9 of the MOU and Article 100 in the Slate Book. Given the nature of the NCEPT, if granted priority consideration, you would be "ranked" #1 for any facility you apply to for each panel until you're selected. It's worth trying.

 

[corn4ahead]

Unfortunately, that is incredibly poor and inexcusable advise from a FacRep, much less an RVP. Your situation was unique and a direct violation of section 6 of the MOU.

Section 6. Facility certified CPC’s shall be considered for placement prior to other employees during the ERR placement process. Employees in training that have never achieved CPC status will be considered on a case-by-case basis.

Being a part of this process, NATCA does have incentive to work things out prior to a grievance, but trying to avoid a bona-fide grievance in that manner is inexcusable. Ex. I know of someone who's facility was downgraded prior to an NCEPT panel, but the facility training success rate did not change to mirror the average of their new facility level on the PPT. This resulted in one less person being able to be released. After the panel, he brought it up to his RVP, who agreed, found out he would've been the next person selected out of his facility and got him a TOL to the same place where you were snubbed (previous panel though). This is what an RVP should do prior to the employee filing a grievance.

Sadly, I believe he was simply trying to appease you in hopes of you reaching the 20 calendar days requirement of filing a grievance per Article 9 of the slate book.

Although the 20 days have passed and they can simply reject your grievance and say "No, the 20 days have passed." I would still file it. Worst case scenario, nothing changes for you, best case scenario, you'll be awarded priority consideration outlined in Section 9 of the MOU and Article 100 in the Slate Book. Given the nature of the NCEPT, if granted priority consideration, you would be "ranked" #1 for any facility you apply to for each panel until you're selected. It's worth trying.

Unfortunately, the word "shall" was not what was emphasized.

The word "considered" is what was emphasized. My RVP said I was "considered" since I was on a ranking list.

I also don't think they would be willing to overlook the 20 days thing at this point.

 

[breakaway2000]

Unfortunately, the word "shall" was not what was emphasized.

The word "considered" is what was emphasized. My RVP said I was "considered" since I was on a ranking list.

I also don't think they would be willing to overlook the 20 days thing at this point.

That is a poor interpretation of that section by your RVP and directly contradicts the minutes, which I would include in a grievance.
"One employee with the staffing category of Academy Graduate was selected during this round of the NCEPT. The employee was selected after careful consideration and after every other available employee (CPC) was selected".

 

[corn4ahead]

That is a poor interpretation of that section by your RVP and directly contradicts the minutes, which I would include in a grievance.
"One employee with the staffing category of Academy Graduate was selected during this round of the NCEPT. The employee was selected after careful consideration and after every other available employee (CPC) was selected".

It's not going to happen. I guess they are extremely strict on the 20 days thing. Oh well. I got bad advice from my RVP.

 

[Move78]

@corn4ahead
@breakaway2000
This scenario is still very confusing. But it appears as though he was not actually passed over for an AG because that facility still left 3 draft picks on the table with people on their list still available.

 

[CaptainObvious]

August priority list is out. Much the same except BPT is not in the top 5

 

[redko0laid]

What's it look like? No access right meow

August priority list is out. Much the same except BPT is not in the top 5

 

[redko0laid]

Is this the last priority list before the panel or will it get updated one more time to reflect gains/losses/status of the PPT?

 

[breakaway2000]

Is this the last priority list before the panel or will it get updated one more time to reflect gains/losses/status of the PPT?

It will be updated again at the start of September for the quarterly random roll of the dice. If eligible, put in for everywhere you'd be happy with. You never know when a facility jumps 30 spots or goes from being able to pick up 0 to 4, etc.

 

[MJ]

This panel is going to be a death match between N90 and MWH

 

[rugbydog11]

It will be updated again at the start of September for the quarterly random roll of the dice. If eligible, put in for everywhere you'd be happy with. You never know when a facility jumps 30 spots or goes from being able to pick up 0 to 4, etc.

That was my philosophy. Unfortunately there are some people in the FAA that will only be happy at a 12 tower that is desired by everyone else.

 

[SugarFoot1]

This panel is going to be a death match between N90 and MWH

Anyway you can post the list or a screenshot of the top 20

 

[rugbydog11]

Anyway you can post the list or a screenshot of the top 20

Will post the top however many here in a minute..