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I'm in shock of the endorsment myself. This doesn't mean to endorse another candidate....its just simply a WTF is the union leadership thinking by endorsing anyone in mid 2023? How do you walk into pro-NATCA R carrying Senator or Congress office asking for anything wearing a "Biden 2024" sticker? The union could have waited on this.
 
I'm in shock of the endorsment myself. This doesn't mean to endorse another candidate....its just simply a WTF is the union leadership thinking by endorsing anyone in mid 2023? How do you walk into pro-NATCA R carrying Senator or Congress office asking for anything wearing a "Biden 2024" sticker? The union could have waited on this.
Good point. We wouldn't want to miss out on negotiating with all of those pro-union, pro-public employee Republicans that exist in 2023.

Definitely should wait and pretend we don't have any values that are, at their core, in opposition to the Republican party platform.
 
I'm in shock of the endorsment myself. This doesn't mean to endorse another candidate....its just simply a WTF is the union leadership thinking by endorsing anyone in mid 2023? How do you walk into pro-NATCA R carrying Senator or Congress office asking for anything wearing a "Biden 2024" sticker? The union could have waited on this.
Senators don’t give a shit who you endorse if you cut them a check
 
Dang. Who knew a little endorsement would trigger the sensitive christo-Karen mob. /s

This is just indicative of the field of republicans more than anything. Trump is obviously a no-go, DeSantis hasn’t shown he even will make an appearance at the rate he’s going, and no one else is really a big name candidate. Biden is the easy and obvious endorsement as the incumbent anyway.
 
FAA REAUTHORIZATION and a potential negotiation of a new contract.

It’s politics, the biggest impacts to our union and our work life… is political. I’m not a fan of Biden in the slightest. Not saying I agree or disagree, but reauthorization is a big deal to get passed and maybe this helps.
 
FAA REAUTHORIZATION and a potential negotiation of a new contract.

It’s politics, the biggest impacts to our union and our work life… is political. I’m not a fan of Biden in the slightest. Not saying I agree or disagree, but reauthorization is a big deal to get passed and maybe this helps.
Reauthorization is due this year, we will see if it’s late it probably will be but over a year late would be a lot.
 
I'm in shock of the endorsment myself. This doesn't mean to endorse another candidate....its just simply a WTF is the union leadership thinking by endorsing anyone in mid 2023? How do you walk into pro-NATCA R carrying Senator or Congress office asking for anything wearing a "Biden 2024" sticker? The union could have waited on this.

republicans hate us. they HATE federal employees and want us to die horrible deaths. they would privatize us immediately if they could. i will never vote republican. i dislike the dems, but voting republican is against our self interest

patco endorsed reagan, and he fucked them and ruined lives.
 
republicans hate us. they HATE federal employees and want us to die horrible deaths. they would privatize us immediately if they could. i will never vote republican. i dislike the dems, but voting republican is against our self interest

patco endorsed reagan, and he fucked them and ruined lives.

Die horrible deaths? You need to take your meds.
 
This is your reminder NATCA extended our contract with 1.6% annual raises during an extended period of elevated inflation (9% at its peak) with “the most pro-union administration ever” instead of negotiating for better pay and work/life benefits. Can’t wait for the slate book to be extended to 2030!!!
And then they just voted to make sure they can do it again!
 
This is your reminder NATCA extended our contract with 1.6% annual raises during an extended period of elevated inflation (9% at its peak) with “the most pro-union administration ever” instead of negotiating for better pay and work/life benefits. Can’t wait for the slate book to be extended to 2030!!!
When they extend it the next time everyone in the union should drop out. I sure as fuck will. It means that for 50% or more or most of our careers we won’t get to vote on a contact, and the contract is pathetic on todays standards.
 
When they extend it the next time everyone in the union should drop out. I sure as fuck will. It means that for 50% or more or most of our careers we won’t get to vote on a contact, and the contract is pathetic on todays standards.
Sure, let's negotiate with an unfavorable administration. You think you're pissed now?
 
Sure, let's negotiate with an unfavorable administration. You think you're pissed now?
At this point I feel this is more of a scare tactic, sure there is a degree of logic behind (of which I understand) but at what point is NATCA going to fight for us? We have to ask for pay increases (and other things, remember paid parental leave anyone?) sometimes and it will never be perfectly timed to coincide with the “perfect administration.” From my perspective it seems as if the Union is more in league with the higher ups in the FAA extending the contract so they can “bargain for something else” (referencing the N90 FOIA’s) but what that is we clearly are not privy to know or understand.


The contract as it stands was fine by 2015 standards, but here we are again with record inflation, decreasing morale, decreasing work force, while watching our counterparts receive astronomical raises. Of course I am aware in an economic down turn they will be on the chopping block but morale continues to plummet with more and more people leaving. This is no longer “the best job in the world” and to be honest, as much as I love talking to planes and the sequencing, when a better thing rolls around I plan to punch out. It is disheartening to say the least because I’d kill for an overseas assignment, but even the FV pay scale (core compensation) receives higher raises than us at this point (granted our pay scale goes higher).

Quality of life is another key aspect that the union has completely thrown to the side just appease the higher-ups in the agency. We need to be evaluating better shift schedules (rattler anyone?) and perhaps a 32 hour work week. While I hold no illusions on a 32 hour work week being even remotely approved during my career it is something to evaluate in order to help our brothers and sisters in the future generations. Increasing the cost of overtime (double time anyone?) to better compensate for the memories one would lose out on by “doing the right thing” for the operation and the facility. The list goes on and on.

Of course the elephant in the room is NCEPT. Most of us know the history and the Union push behind it, but now we have enough data collected to see that it clearly is not working. A segment of the work force will never get their shot at a level 10+ because of this policy. With a nod towards the old ways (which were not working either) we have sacrificed movement for “staffing” thus encouraging people to bid staff/FLM slots. Sure it works for the agency but what about the membership?

Finally, let us talk politics. One only has to look at the Biden Endorsement thread to realise that NATCA profits more off scaring people and dividing the membership more than anything. So and so is looking to cut our pay, quick support us because we “know what is best for you.” Pissing on my back and telling me it is raining does not endear me to support you. Regardless of political views, NATCA should be striving to secure for us the best deal and working conditions no matter who is in office, instead we are kicking the proverbial can down the road refusing to deal with issues that should and could be fixed in the hear and now. Once this generation of the NEB retires, who will carry the torch? Who will actually focus on the issues as they stand as opposed for a golden parachute to dodge traffic while making 250k a year? The line has to be drawn here, this far and no further, but hey that requires balls. All praise to John “The Bull” Carr.
 
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John Carr is the only reason we make what we make now. He had the chance to sell the new hires out to a 30% pay cut and he told them to fuck off. That’s what a union does. Yes we had to go through the white book, but he stood his ground. The slate book is best contract we’ve ever had. It’s the only contract that has guaranteed raises in it, that came with a signing bonus(although small).

The “higher” ups in the union lead a much more stressful life than 95% of people working airplanes. Insane travel schedules, dozens and dozens of facreps calling them nonstop, it’s not an easy life.

If you don’t think they are game planning the next contract and what to fight for, you should show up at an NEB meeting and ask. Any member in good standing can go to an NEB meeting and listen/speak. Get off the forums and get in front of your leadership.

John Carr in hindsight was a God send, even if the White Book was a cause/effect with the commercials he ran against Bush. Standing his ground John Carr fought for everyone, trainees and FPL’s alike, no argument there. The rest, well you will have to wait for me to respond to when I get a chance.

We can always negotiate for a better contract, once you accept that things will never get better it is time for you to step aside and let someone else have a crack at it.
 
John Carr in hindsight was a God send, even if the White Book was a cause/effect with the commercials he ran against Bush. Standing his ground John Carr fought for everyone, trainees and FPL’s alike, no argument there. The rest, well you will have to wait for me to respond to when I get a chance.

We can always negotiate for a better contract, once you accept that things will never get better it is time for you to step aside and let someone else have a crack at it.
Are you covered under the slate book? I’m not looking for a response to anything I’ve said
 
Are you covered under the skate book? I’m not looking for a response to anything I’ve said
I enjoy engaging in conversation that does not evolve into basic name calling, DoD facilities (the ones covered by NATCA) have their own separate contract(s). Having worked in the agency during the Slate Book (and its predecessor) though I have experience with those conditions. I simply transferred to DoD because there was no hope of ever leaving my facility due to NCEPT.
 
Good point. We wouldn't want to miss out on negotiating with all of those pro-union, pro-public employee Republicans that exist in 2023.

Definitely should wait and pretend we don't have any values that are, at their core, in opposition to the Republican party platform.
republicans hate us. they HATE federal employees and want us to die horrible deaths. they would privatize us immediately if they could. i will never vote republican. i dislike the dems, but voting republican is against our self interest

patco endorsed reagan, and he fucked them and ruined lives.
Not saying I disagree, but YSK a significant portion of our PAC money goes to republicans on committees that affect the ATO.

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This is your reminder NATCA extended our contract with 1.6% annual raises during an extended period of elevated inflation (9% at its peak) with “the most pro-union administration ever” instead of negotiating for better pay and work/life benefits. Can’t wait for the slate book to be extended to 2030!!!
It was extended before an extended period of elevated inflation. And by ‘before’ I mean by about 6 minutes. It’s certainly bad timing in hindsight but it negates the entire premise of your bullshit allegation
 
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