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When they extend it the next time everyone in the union should drop out. I sure as fuck will. It means that for 50% or more or most of our careers we won’t get to vote on a contact, and the contract is pathetic on todays standards.

I agree with this. I can only hope this early endorsement is part of a larger strategy to endear the union to the Biden admin in order to negotiate a better contract in 2026 once re-elected. Wishful thinking, I know.

On the flip side the plan backfires when a Republican wins and we get owned in 2026. This is also an argument for staying neutral.
 
I agree with this. I can only hope this early endorsement is part of a larger strategy to endear the union to the Biden admin in order to negotiate a better contract in 2026 once re-elected. Wishful thinking, I know.

On the flip side the plan backfires when a Republican wins and we get owned in 2026. This is also an argument for staying neutral.
In what world will republicans win another election😂
 
I agree with this. I can only hope this early endorsement is part of a larger strategy to endear the union to the Biden admin in order to negotiate a better contract in 2026 once re-elected. Wishful thinking, I know.

On the flip side the plan backfires when a Republican wins and we get owned in 2026. This is also an argument for staying neutral.

Just curious, what would make the contract better?

Pay is by far the most common thing people mention but, newsflash, we're government employees and government employees have a max salary set by law. Level 12 max salary is right up against that limit (think it's around $210k or so right now). We also get any raise government employees get (usually the Jan raise) plus we get our own raise in June no matter what per the contract. So, what exactly are you looking for pay wise? You can't compare us to pilots or anyone else in the private sector cause its the private sector. Compare us to government employees and it's hard for me to find a better pay package in the government.
 
Just curious, what would make the contract better?

Pay is by far the most common thing people mention but, newsflash, we're government employees and government employees have a max salary set by law. Level 12 max salary is right up against that limit (think it's around $210k or so right now). We also get any raise government employees get (usually the Jan raise) plus we get our own raise in June no matter what per the contract. So, what exactly are you looking for pay wise? You can't compare us to pilots or anyone else in the private sector cause its the private sector. Compare us to government employees and it's hard for me to find a better pay package in the government.
I typed a few paragraphs, if you subtract pay (which is beholden to congress, but I still think we could do more with contractually obligated raises) there are some QOL considerations to take into account.
 
Just curious, what would make the contract better?

Pay is by far the most common thing people mention but, newsflash, we're government employees and government employees have a max salary set by law. Level 12 max salary is right up against that limit (think it's around $210k or so right now). We also get any raise government employees get (usually the Jan raise) plus we get our own raise in June no matter what per the contract. So, what exactly are you looking for pay wise? You can't compare us to pilots or anyone else in the private sector cause its the private sector. Compare us to government employees and it's hard for me to find a better pay package in the government.
Giving us a raise could also be in line with changing the law to raise the max cap. It could include all Federal Employees or even be specific to just ATSPP paybands. This is why fighting for more pay is still important. The cap itself needs to move up and we should not let the cap be a deterrent to higher pay. While we do have a contractual 1.6% "pay raise," the pay raise itself only falls in line with all other GS jobs that get a simliar raise every year. GS employees climb the steps yearly until they hit the top. It's no different then us rising within our respective payband until we hit the top.
 
Our pay is actually different from most of the federal government even in terms of how it’s limited.

The GS payband is limited to 183.5k (Executive Schedule 4), and that includes overtime. Any hours worked past that are ineligible for compensation

We are capped at 212.1k (Executive Schedule 2) and our overtime compensation is limitless.

They’re really not the same.

I’m also not saying we shouldn’t ask for more money. I’m saying we aren’t limited in the same way as most feds.
 
Just curious, what would make the contract better?

Pay is by far the most common thing people mention but, newsflash, we're government employees and government employees have a max salary set by law. Level 12 max salary is right up against that limit (think it's around $210k or so right now). We also get any raise government employees get (usually the Jan raise) plus we get our own raise in June no matter what per the contract. So, what exactly are you looking for pay wise? You can't compare us to pilots or anyone else in the private sector cause its the private sector. Compare us to government employees and it's hard for me to find a better pay package in the government.
Raises that keep pace with inflation. Social security, disability and other payments have been going up 9% the last couple years. Our raise was something like 3.8 and 4.2% in January. After adding the 1.6%, that still is not close.
 
Just curious, what would make the contract better?

Pay is by far the most common thing people mention but, newsflash, we're government employees and government employees have a max salary set by law. Level 12 max salary is right up against that limit (think it's around $210k or so right now). We also get any raise government employees get (usually the Jan raise) plus we get our own raise in June no matter what per the contract. So, what exactly are you looking for pay wise? You can't compare us to pilots or anyone else in the private sector cause its the private sector. Compare us to government employees and it's hard for me to find a better pay package in the government.

Well pay is the big one. So because the top of level 12 band matches the federal pay cap we shouldn’t ask for bigger June raises? I don’t get it. Only a handful of people are making that, and if the June raise puts you over you get it as a lump sum, so basically a bonus. What’s wrong with more people getting that or close to it?

You say we can’t compare to pilots because they’re private sector but I don’t see it that way. We have to work within the framework of the government but we can absolutely point to their recent contracts as leverage for bigger raises. We’re all professionals in the same industry and facing similar challenges like inflation and a shortage of qualified staff. Sure it’s not apples to apples, but why not point to it in negotiations?

We definitely have good comp compared to other federal jobs, but we are looked at and treated differently do to the nature of our work, which we should use to our advantage.

Remember, it’s the most labor friendly admin in the history of the world according to our union. If that’s true, are you satisfied with just keeping the status quo? To me the stars are aligning to ask for more, and it would be insane not to.
 
It was extended before an extended period of elevated inflation. And by ‘before’ I mean by about 6 minutes. It’s certainly bad timing in hindsight but it negates the entire premise of your bullshit allegation
CPI was 4.2% in April of 2021 (one month before extension). It appears “My bullshit allegation” is fact, and you’re too big of a NATCA blowhard to see they still should have negotiated for better pay and benefits regardless of inflation at the time because they would have negotiated with the self-proclaimed, “Most pro Union administration ever”. Don’t worrry though, with that 1.6% raise last pay period your real wage only went down ~3.5% this month!

In what world will republicans win another election😂
The 2022 midterms?
 
It isn't a shock. But in the past 2.5 years I have yet to have seen anyone who is really a raving Biden supporter, outside of the brainwashed party faithful that are capable of as much independent thought as a MAGA blowhard.


Most people that tried to justify voting for Biden in 2020 would always point to the EOs. They'd acknowledge that he was sub-par as a candidate (you don't say?) but would keep going on about "if you don't vote for Biden, then Trump is going to shut down gov't employee unions" but offered no other real reason to vote for the guy.
 
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CPI was 4.2% in April of 2021 (one month before extension). It appears “My bullshit allegation” is fact, and you’re too big of a NATCA blowhard to see they still should have negotiated for better pay and benefits regardless of inflation at the time because they would have negotiated with the self-proclaimed, “Most pro Union administration ever”. Don’t worrry though, with that 1.6% raise last pay period your real wage only went down ~3.5% this month!
I’m not defending the extension. (I did at the time). But your narrative is made up. Have you ever negotiated anything? No one works on the goal of an extension and then bails at the finish line cuz we just had a bad month. It’s revisionist history. Inflation was not a complaint in the moment. It didn’t hit the narrative until that summer. And man did it make the extension look worse.
 
I’m not defending the extension. (I did at the time). But your narrative is made up. Have you ever negotiated anything? No one works on the goal of an extension and then bails at the finish line cuz we just had a bad month. It’s revisionist history. Inflation was not a complaint in the moment. It didn’t hit the narrative until that summer. And man did it make the extension look worse.
There was just zero reason to extend the contract 18 months before it expired. Then they say bs like it would have cost a million dollars to negotiate. Then they all fly to Florida and Hawaii and eat steak
 
Just curious, what would make the contract better?

Pay is by far the most common thing people mention but, newsflash, we're government employees and government employees have a max salary set by law. Level 12 max salary is right up against that limit (think it's around $210k or so right now). We also get any raise government employees get (usually the Jan raise) plus we get our own raise in June no matter what per the contract. So, what exactly are you looking for pay wise? You can't compare us to pilots or anyone else in the private sector cause its the private sector. Compare us to government employees and it's hard for me to find a better pay package in the government.
FDIC and SEC paybands go up to $275,000 and many employees at HHS Agencies go well above (not just Dr.’s either) the federal cap. These people could obviously leave federal employment for more lucrative jobs in the private sector but I would argue with recent pay raises at the airlines, a lot of controllers who have flying experience could do the same.
 
There was just zero reason to extend the contract 18 months before it expired. Then they say bs like it would have cost a million dollars to negotiate. Then they all fly to Florida and Hawaii and eat steak
Sure. But it wasn’t inflation. Also the cost to negotiate a new contract isn’t bs. It’s a lot.
That’s not the only why but it’s one of the things on the cons list.
Yes it’s more expensive for the NEB meetings and convention to move around but having the leadership never visit the regions would be a mistake. Same with convention, it’s better outreach to rotate around.
After the blowback from the extension I’d guess they’ll reopen negotiations depending on some of the election outcomes for both the union and government. Elections do matter but regardless of who’s in office, the agency is going to implement a team who’s goal is going to be to make your working conditions and compensation worse. To reduce costs and obligations.
 
I’m not defending the extension. (I did at the time). But your narrative is made up. Have you ever negotiated anything? No one works on the goal of an extension and then bails at the finish line cuz we just had a bad month. It’s revisionist history. Inflation was not a complaint in the moment. It didn’t hit the narrative until that summer. And man did it make the extension look worse.
The government and the fed teamed up to drop money from helicopters in the streets of America while simultaneously telling everyone to stay home and not produce goods and services to stop the spread. It was very obvious to anyone who understood economics that prices would rise dramatically. It started with Trump and all the terrible fraud filled programs of the early pandemic (PPP, enhanced unemployment benefits, eviction moratorium, student loan payment moratorium, stimmies) and was exasperated by the Biden admins continuation/expansion of the programs. The resulting inflation was inevitable and if those in charge of negotiating on our behalf couldn't see it unfolding, maybe we need smarter people doing the negotiating.
 
Sure. But it wasn’t inflation. Also the cost to negotiate a new contract isn’t bs. It’s a lot.
That’s not the only why but it’s one of the things on the cons list.
Yes it’s more expensive for the NEB meetings and convention to move around but having the leadership never visit the regions would be a mistake. Same with convention, it’s better outreach to rotate around.
After the blowback from the extension I’d guess they’ll reopen negotiations depending on some of the election outcomes for both the union and government. Elections do matter but regardless of who’s in office, the agency is going to implement a team who’s goal is going to be to make your working conditions and compensation worse. To reduce costs and obligations.
Bruhv we literally pay dues for the primary function of negotiating a contract. Collective bargaining is what a union is for. The other stuff is important but it’s less important. Holding the convention on zoom. They vote down every fucking amendment anyways.
 
You guys do not understand how the contract negotiations take place.

You remember the huge piece of shit who was going to be in charge of the negotiations under the Trump administration, and fuck us over royally (which was happening to other feds and luckily didn't happen to us because of the contract extension)? HE'S STILL IN THAT POSITION, and would still be doing everything in his power to fuck us over even though Biden and the rest of the admin have now changed/are more favorable to labor. Until he gets ousted/moved/retired, trying to renegotiate is extremely risky.
 
You guys do not understand how the contract negotiations take place.

You remember the huge piece of shit who was going to be in charge of the negotiations under the Trump administration, and fuck us over royally (which was happening to other feds and luckily didn't happen to us because of the contract extension)? HE'S STILL IN THAT POSITION, and would still be doing everything in his power to fuck us over even though Biden and the rest of the admin have now changed/are more favorable to labor. Until he gets ousted/moved/retired, trying to renegotiate is extremely risky.
Oh yah cus Pete would just be like well the huge piece of shit said so. Come on man. Natca is so bad at getting our message out.

They don’t even comment when cnn calls them. The public wouldn’t support fucking over air traffic controllers

With these takes we’ll never again get to negotiate cus there will always be some “risk”
 
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