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Assuming one passes the academy, whats the time frame for getting that first D1 raise? CPC I know can be anywhere from 3-6 years
At Most centers, the D1 raise comes after certification on your first two D-sides. D2 after certification on all D-Sides, D3 after first two R-sides, and then obviously CPC. Timeframes are going to vary wildly especially after the last 18 months. Expect to have a delay of at least a few months and possibly a year and beyond depending on the facility.
 

slim

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To get D1, usually depends on the training backlog. To get fully certified, it’s usually mostly up to the trainee. I’ve been certified for over two years and there a guy with a year more seniority than me that is just working on his first two R sides. Most trainees sitting in a classroom upstairs have other jobs. Deliver pizzas, serve at a restaurant, or deliver DoorDash. Do what you gotta do.
 

ClearanceClarence

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Timeline to D1 is extremely dependent on which facility, and even which area you end up in. I know a lot of places have made it a goal to get people to D1 as quickly as possible after all the COVID delays. I have several friends who were basically told as long as they’re not having A1’s, they’ll get a check ride as soon as they hit minimums on their first 2 sectors.

Sadly, it’s not like that everywhere though. Some places will needlessly force people to max out their hours on every position no matter what. For example, 5 people have been D side training in my area for nearly 5 months now. Not one has been given a check ride.
 
Were you reading the thread? The hate is the fact that FAA has designed an extremely difficult course that weeds out a lot of good applicants, and they're apparently going out of their way to make it harder when staffing is abysmal across the whole NAS. A class full of really strong students shouldn't go 4/8 because they came up with some new 'gotcha' evals. The academy and their grading process is just too subjective.
Were you in the 4/8 class? How do you know they were a class full of really strong students? I’m confused
 

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Pass rate is misleading to wether the class was strong. I seen classes pass everyone or almost everyone but the high score is low 80s. Where you might have a 50% class where everyone thst passed was mid 80s or 90s. Another reason why the placement system makes no sense
 

Brandyn231

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Pass rate is misleading to wether the class was strong. I seen classes pass everyone or almost everyone but the high score is low 80s. Where you might have a 50% class where everyone thst passed was mid 80s or 90s. Another reason why the placement system makes no sense
Can 2nd this. In our class the lowest passing was 89% and change. San Juan all day ⛱️. Went 4/8
 

Michaelayala

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Timeline to D1 is extremely dependent on which facility, and even which area you end up in. I know a lot of places have made it a goal to get people to D1 as quickly as possible after all the COVID delays. I have several friends who were basically told as long as they’re not having A1’s, they’ll get a check ride as soon as they hit minimums on their first 2 sectors.

Sadly, it’s not like that everywhere though. Some places will needlessly force people to max out their hours on every position no matter what. For example, 5 people have been D side training in my area for nearly 5 months now. Not one has been given a check ride.
I am hoping to request ZNY as I am from the area. Very good information though, thanks!
 

nb123

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Were you reading the thread? The hate is the fact that FAA has designed an extremely difficult course that weeds out a lot of good applicants, and they're apparently going out of their way to make it harder when staffing is abysmal across the whole NAS. A class full of really strong students shouldn't go 4/8 because they came up with some new 'gotcha' evals. The academy and their grading process is just too subjective.
Oh I think we're are on the same page—I was questioning the fact that people on here think they can criticize people/classes on here who've failed at higher rates. So we're constantly hearing how difficult it is yet some people can't give a guy a break. I guess as I reread things though most people on here are supportive.
 

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Is there a reason people are failing? Like specifically. Can’t handle a lot of aircraft, or doing something that is an automatic fail? What are some things to look out for at the academy?
 

GulfBravoPapa

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There is no automatic fail. It is a points system. You start at 100 and lose points for every error. Errors compound very quickly especially if you get flustered or have nerves. You need to be able to move past and error and keep working.
 

Mr. Miner

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Is there a reason people are failing? Like specifically. Can’t handle a lot of aircraft, or doing something that is an automatic fail? What are some things to look out for at the academy?
There is nothing specific and each person is different

Get as many non radar and classroom points as you can

When you actually start running problems, try to focus on and apply the feedback you get
 
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