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robertvmarshall

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Thanks for this, cleared my head after scrolling past all the hate on this thread regarding the 50% pass rate last week. What was with all that?
It's just upsetting knowing that you could go through this process and lose job in a way that feels unfair. I've had to come to grips with that myself. It takes years after applying to finally get to the academy, and even if you're the most talented and work your ass off, you might get a few bad breaks and get sent home. I'm personally okay with that. Not that I think it's the "best" system. I'm just at peace with it. I'm hoping for the best and will fight hard for the job, but I know it might just not happen due to reasons beyond my control.
 

nb123

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50% is normal. 100% is not normal

Yes sir, we know the pass rates. I was asking what was with all the hate this time.

If it's so damn hard then smart people are going to try their actual best and not make it. I think people have gotta choose to either be a hardass about how hardcore it is, or else suggest that failure is a result of a character defect like laziness. Trying to hit from both sides is a flag for survivorship bias, and those of us out here trying to get our heads straight about this thing shouldn't have to deal with that.

(Not suggesting you're doing that, I can't remember what you specifically have posted—I just wanted to push back at the energy of that part of the conversation.)
 

32andBelow

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Yes sir, we know the pass rates. I was asking what was with all the hate this time.

If it's so damn hard then smart people are going to try their actual best and not make it. I think people have gotta choose to either be a hardass about how hardcore it is, or else suggest that failure is a result of a character defect like laziness. Trying to hit from both sides is a flag for survivorship bias, and those of us out here trying to get our heads straight about this thing shouldn't have to deal with that.

(Not suggesting you're doing that, I can't remember what you specifically have posted—I just wanted to push back at the energy of that part of the conversation.)
No this is a course that you can study harder than anyone and fail. While a “lazy” person who didn’t study once can finish first in the class
 

shoak

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No this is a course that you can study harder than anyone and fail. While a “lazy” person who didn’t study once can finish first in the class
We've been told many times by multiple instructors, "It takes a certain way of thinking to be a controller, its either you got it or you don't"
 

njeezy08

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No this is a course that you can study harder than anyone and fail. While a “lazy” person who didn’t study once can finish first in the class
You can also have a guy who goes into evals with a 24 end up top 3 in the class and someone who was #1 all class heading into evals (scoring a 99 and 100 in non radar) be knocked out after 2 problems and escorted out first day


Both these things happened to my class what feels like long ago
 

KiloZulu

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Yes sir, we know the pass rates. I was asking what was with all the hate this time.

If it's so damn hard then smart people are going to try their actual best and not make it. I think people have gotta choose to either be a hardass about how hardcore it is, or else suggest that failure is a result of a character defect like laziness. Trying to hit from both sides is a flag for survivorship bias, and those of us out here trying to get our heads straight about this thing shouldn't have to deal with that.
Were you reading the thread? The hate is the fact that FAA has designed an extremely difficult course that weeds out a lot of good applicants, and they're apparently going out of their way to make it harder when staffing is abysmal across the whole NAS. A class full of really strong students shouldn't go 4/8 because they came up with some new 'gotcha' evals. The academy and their grading process is just too subjective.
 

jdatc

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….the fact that FAA has designed an extremely difficult course that weeds out a lot of good applicants….
How do we really know they would have been successful in the field?

The only way possible I see is to run a bunch of classes that are pass/fail but keep track of the scores of those who would have failed but still place them and see later if it correlates later to failures in the field at their facility.

The Downside is it will take several years, and if the Academy was doing its job, it’s guaranteed to disgruntle trainers and facilities across the NAS as you have sent them less then desirable trainees.

If it was wrong, hey you gain a few new employees and have to figure out how to fix the Academy once again.

I bet they keep status quo.
 

omegatarc

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Just depends on the facility, at my center everything is so backed up we aren't starting D-side training until next fall.
Dang. Next Fall? That was our centers original date but our train department has been hauling ass and all of our backlog will be done before Christmas this year. When I arrived mid June there were 60 students ready for D school. I am the last class of 8 which we start early November. There will be the R school backlog in a few months though
 

jairfly

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Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center
Sheesh! What facilities are you guys at? What do you do in the mean time? Are you allowed to have any other work/jobs? Some places the AG pay isn’t enough to survive on…
 
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twn

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Dang. Next Fall? That was our centers original date but our train department has been hauling ass and all of our backlog will be done before Christmas this year. When I arrived mid June there were 60 students ready for D school. I am the last class of 8 which we start early November. There will be the R school backlog in a few months though
JFC. That's efficient. What fac are you at?
 

wrench978

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ZSU San Juan CERAP
At ZSU we get D-1 when we get all of our A-sides. so within a few months of arriving, everyone has a bump in pay, usually. We have had a backlog of trainees lately, so it takes a little longer. D-2 comes after a couple D sides
 
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