February (Q2) 2024

[ATC123]

I thought one of the stipulations to be classified as a category 1 release is that the facility you are trying to ERR to (the gaining facility) has to be below 90% to target. So how did the person get released as cat 1 if Tampa is above that 90%?

Category 1 is straight out of the NRP; above 90% on board and above 90% projected. It is a release category not a gain category.

 

[ATC123]

If you are at a facility that doesn’t release people consistently your options are quit (reapply maybe), bid one of the MOU facilities, or homestead. There will be a constant stream of people bidding the MOU facilities and you are unlikely to release anytime soon.

You’re not wrong. So what’s your solution, release down to 50%?

 

[Golf delta]

People are mad at NCEPT ‘not working’, but that’s not the culprit. Since our last NCEPT release in 2019, my facility has certified 22 people. Our staffing has gone up by 4. And not many of the other losses are retirements. It’s the deviations that are breaking the system!

 

[SunnyATC]

NCEPT sure isn’t the answer. A80 picked up all mid to higher level radar controllers except the LFT person. Qualified people getting passed over since the start of NCEPT is a disgrace.

Bring back bids. You get picked up, you go on the list of people to be released. Once you get over 85% you are released within 3 months. Every facility has to release one person per quarter.

 

[Seymour Nips]

We somehow had someone here get picked up for LAS even though we have one projected retirement and another projected outbound (me). This leaves us at 73% with me and the retirement out of here. How did they not update the SWB in time? Even if they did, do they just not give a fuck and are picking people up randomly? Makes me feel bad for people that are at facilities with percentages in the low 80’s and can’t leave. I’ve been slotted out of here since early January and the retirement has been known about for the last year. The ineptitude is appalling. I mean, good for the dude that got picked up out of here, but holy shit.

 

[Acquired Taste]

I thought one of the stipulations to be classified as a category 1 release is that the facility you are trying to ERR to (the gaining facility) has to be below 90% to target. So how did the person get released as cat 1 if Tampa is above that 90%?

You're confusing category 1 and 2 with the round 1 and 2 release rules for this panel. The category is determined by the actual and projected staffing of the releasing facility at the point in time when the selection is made. Tampa was above 90% projected so they couldn't select in round 1. The person got selected in round 2 but they still got selected from a facility that had good enough staffing for a cat 1 release.

Im just glad to see the draft style working the way it should and not SCT just c*ckblocking everyone else.

Soon NCT, SCT, PCT and others will all just have to be on one big ol MOU with A80 and MIA so they can't keep poaching from those places. NCT and SCT lost 2 on the priority bids and gained 2, resulting in their already terrible projected staffing decreasing after the panel. PCT lost 1 and gained 2, but it's not possible to staff that facility with 1 or 2 gains every 3 months. S56 lost 2, only gained 1. Every big tracon that isn't I90, D10, or P50 will need a priority release bid soon.

 

[Motodog]

We somehow had someone here get picked up for LAS even though we have one projected retirement and another projected outbound (me). This leaves us at 73% with me and the retirement out of here. How did they not update the SWB in time? Even if they did, do they just not give a fuck and are picking people up randomly? Makes me feel bad for people that are at facilities with percentages in the low 80’s and can’t leave. I’ve been slotted out of here since early January and the retirement has been known about for the last year. The ineptitude is appalling. I mean, good for the dude that got picked up out of here, but holy shit.

Seymour Nips? Now that’s just too damn funny

 

[32andBelow]

People are mad at NCEPT ‘not working’, but that’s not the culprit. Since our last NCEPT release in 2019, my facility has certified 22 people. Our staffing has gone up by 4. And not many of the other losses are retirements. It’s the deviations that are breaking the system!

You don’t fix it with forcing square pegs in round holes. That will never work. You fix it with actual change.

 

[Ibreezeby]

I think the solution is to put every facility on a priority release, maybe just a couple hundred more facilities on it. /s

 

[Golf delta]

You don’t fix it with forcing square pegs in round holes. That will never work. You fix it with actual change.

There needs to be some sort of agreement with management. 1 for 1 or something to make it equitable. Management is constantly getting deviations approved as soon as we’re close to having enough to release someone. I’m not even trying to leave. I’m just sick of seeing coworkers that have had paperwork out for years see that we’re once again losing 2-3 from the boards to slide into sup bids.

 

[32andBelow]

There needs to be some sort of agreement with management. 1 for 1 or something to make it equitable. Management is constantly getting deviations approved as soon as we’re close to having enough to release someone. I’m not even trying to leave. I’m just sick of seeing coworkers that have had paperwork out for years see that we’re once again losing 2-3 from the boards to slide into sup bids.

It needs to be completely overhauled on every level. Academy placement, local hiring, sup bids. Everything. The fucked up placement is just putting more and more into this situation. I really think it just needs to eve free transferring. If the FAA wants to get someone somewhere they can offer a real whatever year bid with move money both ways and a bonus and return rights or a dream list when your done. NCEPT just allows FAA not have to do anything to be competitive.

 

[CaptainObvious]

It needs to be completely overhauled on every level. Academy placement, local hiring, sup bids. Everything. The fucked up placement is just putting more and more into this situation. I really think it just needs to eve free transferring. If the FAA wants to get someone somewhere they can offer a real whatever year bid with move money both ways and a bonus and return rights or a dream list when your done. NCEPT just allows FAA not have to do anything to be competitive.

That’s the way they want it. They don’t want you to transfer

 

[32andBelow]

That’s the way they want it. They don’t want you to transfer

I actually don’t think they are diabolical. I think they made a bad system and instead of fixing what they did they try to do band aid after band aid. Both the FAA and Natca both do that. We need to fix shit on a much broader scale.

I’d be much more supportive of Natca is they spoke for actual change and not just more band aids.

 

[SunnyATC]

They also shouldn’t want controllers putting in their two weeks notice with critically low staffing and academy backlogs, but here we are.

 

[Somenewguy]

We somehow had someone here get picked up for LAS even though we have one projected retirement and another projected outbound (me). This leaves us at 73% with me and the retirement out of here. How did they not update the SWB in time? Even if they did, do they just not give a fuck and are picking people up randomly? Makes me feel bad for people that are at facilities with percentages in the low 80’s and can’t leave. I’ve been slotted out of here since early January and the retirement has been known about for the last year. The ineptitude is appalling. I mean, good for the dude that got picked up out of here, but holy shit.

Rules are rules, until NATCA makes dynamic decisions.

 

[Dontbotherme]

People are mad at NCEPT ‘not working’, but that’s not the culprit. Since our last NCEPT release in 2019, my facility has certified 22 people. Our staffing has gone up by 4. And not many of the other losses are retirements. It’s the deviations that are breaking the system!

It’s the Agency not hiring more qualified people and we are down 4-5K CPCs. We are working more with less so they aren’t forced to change anything.

 

[Dolan]

Next few years is going to be a wonderful time for a sabbatical for many people. Two weeks notice, get yourself out of the black hole you're in, reapply when you can. Don't accept anywhere that's been ruined by NCEPT if you get rehired.

This is the way.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Next few years is going to be a wonderful time for a sabbatical for many people. Two weeks notice, get yourself out of the black hole you're in, reapply when you can. Don't accept anywhere that's been ruined by NCEPT if you get rehired.

This is the way.

Until they change the rules again and only black holes are eligible for reinstatement.

 

[PilotsDiscretion]

Anyone know why some MOU releases are 6 months and others 12? I thought all of them were going to be Category 1, 3 months with 6 months at employee request?

 

[22papa]

If you wash from one of these MOU places do you get a Nest list? Asking for a friend of course