August (Q4) 2023

[Golf delta]

They are. There’s not even a line, they just get to go.

Yeah I know, just saying I agree with this policy. If it was 5 years many people would be jumping around as soon as they can. That’d destroy the big facilities staffing. But 15? Those people rode it out at their high levels and this is likely their last move before retirement.

I've been shocked by how many controllers put themselves over their kids to chase money.

Since they have the 10/11/12 restriction, I don’t think it’s as much chasing money. If they opened it to all levels guarantee requests would be flooded with people snagging their high 3. But personally when my kids are teenagers I couldn’t transplant them unless they were having a rough time at school. That’s tough on kids to start new.

 

[ncssailor]

Yeah I know, just saying I agree with this policy. If it was 5 years many people would be jumping around as soon as they can. That’d destroy the big facilities staffing. But 15? Those people rode it out at their high levels and this is likely their last move before retirement.

Since they have the 10/11/12 restriction, I don’t think it’s as much chasing money. If they opened it to all levels guarantee requests would be flooded with people snagging their high 3. But personally when my kids are teenagers I couldn’t transplant them unless they were having a rough time at school. That’s tough on kids to start new.

Snagging their high 3, you just sound privileged AF. The people stuck at anything below a 10 deserve the chance to get out if they want after 15 years. Some might not even want a high level place and just want to actually transfer where they have wanted to work for 15years. This career is becoming stagnant and stuck. With what’s available on the internet no wonder we aren’t getting quality candidates. This staffing problem is only going to get worse in the next 4-5 years when the new wave of retirements start. What’s the incentive to stay beyond 20yo and 50 or 25years anymore?

 

[Golf delta]

Snagging their high 3, you just sound privileged AF. The people stuck at anything below a 10 deserve the chance to get out if they want after 15 years. Some might not even want a high level place and just want to actually transfer where they have wanted to work for 15years. This career is becoming stagnant and stuck.

Hey, I started out at a 5. I get it and I’ve got friends that have been hard stuck. I’m not saying it’s not BS that our staffing agency wide sucks. But what I’m saying is, at our current staffing levels they literally could not support making it a guaranteed priority move for all levels. If a bunch of people transferred with short time left it would hurt both the sending and receiving facilities staffing. That wasn’t the intent of this article.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Maybe the answer to all of this is free for all transfers. Cause enough pain and they’ll hire more people.

 

[CoffeeIV]

If they ever negotiate I'm sure an overwhelming majority of the BUEs would support getting rid of this article if it meant better pay raises. People think negotiations mean we'll get everything and lose nothing lol.

 

[hpwjuicebox]

If they ever negotiate I'm sure an overwhelming majority of the BUEs would support getting rid of this article if it meant better pay raises. People think negotiations mean we'll get everything and lose nothing lol.

Id drop it for a 1% raise. Article seems useless to me, I’ll quit long before I rot away where I don’t want to be for 15 years.

 

[ATC123]

"People bitching on the internet" ...you mean BUEs? At what point is the goal to make dues-paying controllers happy instead of doing the FAAs job for them?

Lots of ideas thrown around on here. Do any of you actually reach out to your NCEPT reps or others? Those that I've talked to say they don't hear much, which given the banter on here, I find surprising!

 

[ChuckNovember]

Lots of ideas thrown around on here. Do any of you actually reach out to your NCEPT reps or others? Those that I've talked to say they don't hear much, which given the banter on here, I find surprising!

Please explain to me why I would reach out to my NCEPT rep about the merits of article 124. Did you actually read the thread??

 

[CoffeeIV]

Please explain to me why I would reach out to my NCEPT rep about the merits of article 124. Did you actually read the thread??

He did say a"NCEPT reps or others". No need to be a condescending asshole.

 

[boots]

Just make every facility get CIP for every % they are under 90% staffed Except for n90 that’s a scam.

 

[bravounite33]

Just make every facility get CIP for every % they are under 90% staffed Except for n90 that’s a scam.

CIP pool would run out of money like 5x faster if not more than it already does

 

[Nothanks]

Snagging their high 3, you just sound privileged AF. The people stuck at anything below a 10 deserve the chance to get out if they want after 15 years. Some might not even want a high level place and just want to actually transfer where they have wanted to work for 15years. This career is becoming stagnant and stuck. With what’s available on the internet no wonder we aren’t getting quality candidates. This staffing problem is only going to get worse in the next 4-5 years when the new wave of retirements start. What’s the incentive to stay beyond 20yo and 50 or 25years anymore?

 

[ncssailor]

So what are you trying to say? In 4-5 years it’s going to start again and I think their predictions of how many people are going to go sooner than later are going to be off. This chart doesn’t account for the current sentiment of the workforce.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

So what are you trying to say? In 4-5 years it’s going to start again and I think their predictions of how many people are going to go sooner than later are going to be off. This chart doesn’t account for the current sentiment of the workforce.

All of their predictions in the workforce plans are always favorable to the agency and end up wrong

 

[Sassyquatch]

If a facility can't release anyone through ncept because it's below the national average, how can that same facility release one of it's controllers to a staff support specialist position that's in the same building? Genuinely curious, don't know if there's different rules to it

 

[doodii]

If a facility can't release anyone through ncept because it's below the national average, how can that same facility release one of it's controllers to a staff support specialist position that's in the same building? Genuinely curious, don't know if there's different rules to it

They aren’t bound by the same rules, which is why NCEPT is a complete sham. There’s also waivers but I’ve never seen one denied.

 

[Move78]

If a facility can't release anyone through ncept because it's below the national average, how can that same facility release one of it's controllers to a staff support specialist position that's in the same building? Genuinely curious, don't know if there's different rules to it

If your facility is red then they need a deviation to release anywhere within the ATO.

They aren’t bound by the same rules, which is why NCEPT is a complete sham. There’s also waivers but I’ve never seen one denied.

This is a troll post they are all bound by the same release policy. And deviations get approved and denied all the time.

 

[Stinger]

If your facility is red then they need a deviation to release anywhere within the ATO.

What about a CPC-IT from a red facility that becomes a supervisor at another facility?
A deviation should be needed, but what if the move was to happen with no deviation?

 

[Move78]

What about a CPC-IT from a red facility that becomes a supervisor at another facility?
A deviation should be needed, but what if the move was to happen with no deviation?

Needs deviation

 

[SuckMyATIS]

Can you err as TMU? There's a bid out for my dream facility. I want to keep controlling but if TMU is my way to get there then im all in. Just wondering if id be able to err down the road to controlling or not.