Hardships

[Papacharlie327]

Problem is the cat's out of the bag now. I can't imagine the salt if NATCA started scrutinizing people more while others who've already gotten theirs sit back and smirk

NATCA has created a shit show. The NCEPT trickle down effect is in motion. Controllers who are blocked from moving and feel like they will never get the opportunity to advance their career or get where they want, will do the exact opposite of what NATCA wants us to do. members will file more frivolous hardships in hopes of getting out of a facility. And more members than they want will bid on supervisor jobs to get to where they want. Is what it is.

 

[Seeyoufly]

NATCA has created a shit show. The NCEPT trickle down effect is in motion. Controllers who are blocked from moving and feel like they will never get the opportunity to advance their career or get where they want, will do the exact opposite of what NATCA wants us to do. members will file more frivolous hardships in hopes of getting out of a facility. And more members than they want will bid on supervisor jobs to get to where they want. Is what it is.

Natca created a shit show? By understaffing facilities for 30 years?

 

[Papacharlie327]

Natca created a shit show? By understaffing facilities for 30 years?

With ncept yes. The faa did the understaffing but the union, who is supposed to be helping us with our careers, created a transfer system that doesn’t help current employees get to where they want to be. So the faa is one Butt cheek and the union is the other and we are the asshole

 

[CoffeeIV]

With ncept yes. The faa did the understaffing but the union, who is supposed to be helping us with our careers, created a transfer system that doesn’t help current employees get to where they want to be. So the faa is one Butt cheek and the union is the other and we are the asshole

Can I ask who you think is benefiting from hardships if it isn't current employees? Because everyone Ive seen that hardshipped were union members benefiting and getting the exact location they wanted. If anything, hardships helps keep people from going to facilities they didn't want in the first place but were just trying to get closer to home and then transferring again. Now they get what they want when they want it and don't have to wait for any NCEPT release time frames or ridiculous staffing percentages that change constantly.

 

[Papacharlie327]

Can I ask who you think is benefiting from hardships if it isn't current employees? Because everyone Ive seen that hardshipped were union members benefiting and getting the exact location they wanted. If anything, hardships helps keep people from going to facilities they didn't want in the first place but were just trying to get closer to home and then transferring again. Now they get what they want when they want it and don't have to wait for any NCEPT release time frames or ridiculous staffing percentages that change constantly.

Someone complained about hardships being a scam. What I’m saying is get used to it and expect more. Nobody is saying hardships don’t benefit controllers. I’ve noticed more controllers in my building asking if they had a case for a hardship.

 

[Seeyoufly]

With ncept yes. The faa did the understaffing but the union, who is supposed to be helping us with our careers, created a transfer system that doesn’t help current employees get to where they want to be. So the faa is one Butt cheek and the union is the other and we are the asshole

Ncept works so long as there are bodies in the system. No system works without bodies.

 

[Ad1234]

Ncept works so long as there are bodies in the system. No system works without bodies.

And some of those bodies don’t hardship at ridiculous rates.

 

[Papacharlie327]

Ncept works so long as there are bodies in the system. No system works without bodies.

Well sure. But that’s not the case. So why implement it. Much like NATCA wants to implement crwg, but without the financial backing of the faa it will also work against us making it even MORE difficult for controllers. If your number is 275 now and you can’t get out and they bump it to 320 it just becomes impossible

 

[Nothanks]

Well sure. But that’s not the case. So why implement it. Much like NATCA wants to implement crwg, but without the financial backing of the faa it will also work against us making it even MORE difficult for controllers. If your number is 275 now and you can’t get out and they bump it to 320 it just becomes impossible

If there was no ncept, no one would move right now.

There are some really dense people out there… we are critically staffed across the nas. Tim arel would be giving direction not to move anyone, if it wasn’t the ncept process.

The agency doesn’t give a shit if you are working where you want be.

 

[Seeyoufly]

The agency doesn’t give a shit if you are working where you want be.

Say it louder. They don't give a flying fuck about you being where you want. If they had their choice you'd check out and die there, preferably before collecting retirement.

 

[fivebyfive]

Well sure. But that’s not the case. So why implement it. Much like NATCA wants to implement crwg, but without the financial backing of the faa it will also work against us making it even MORE difficult for controllers. If your number is 275 now and you can’t get out and they bump it to 320 it just becomes impossible

NCEPT will not be using the crwg numbers in the near term. They're going to keep using the older numbers for employee movement until staffing improves.

 

[ChuckNovember]

Ncept works for low level towers. No system works without bodies.

FTFY

 

[Move78]

Well sure. But that’s not the case. So why implement it. Much like NATCA wants to implement crwg, but without the financial backing of the faa it will also work against us making it even MORE difficult for controllers. If your number is 275 now and you can’t get out and they bump it to 320 it just becomes impossible

This is an argument from a tunneled perspective of only those that wish to leave their current post. The union has to care about both your desire to transfer and the staffing for the controllers you leave behind. A difficult equation when the agency has intentionally reduced staffing levels over the past 10 years because they let dipshit accountants decide how many controllers we need. If the building needs 320 then of course the union will support 320 as its staffing target.

 

[Papacharlie327]

This is an argument from a tunneled perspective of only those that wish to leave their current post. The union has to care about both your desire to transfer and the staffing for the controllers you leave behind. A difficult equation when the agency has intentionally reduced staffing levels over the past 10 years because they let dipshit accountants decide how many controllers we need. If the building needs 320 then of course the union will support 320 as its staffing target.

This is an argument that a LOT of BUES are struggling with. Period. Nobody is taking away from the staffing shitshow the faa created. My point is the union can’t come in on top of the faa’s already giant shit show and implement their own shit show on its members. You can’t implement crwg without dedication from the faa to get it done….INCLUDING financing it. If you do, we are just even MORE understaffed with the faa not cooperating. NCEPT is not working bc the faa Isn’t cooperating. So what’s the point of it being used?

If there was no ncept, no one would move right now.

There are some really dense people out there… we are critically staffed across the nas. Tim arel would be giving direction not to move anyone, if it wasn’t the ncept process.

The agency doesn’t give a shit if you are working where you want be.

The agency has never cared. The union should care. Don’t want to accommodate specialists in their trade?…..then enjoy motha fuckas puttin fed ex heavy’s on top of southwest takeoffs. Bc we are dumbing down this profession.

Don’t apply to sup jobs but don’t have a voice either unless you are Santa klaus minion. GAWD I am so ungrateful

 

[Move78]

This is an argument that a LOT of BUES are struggling with. Period. Nobody is taking away from the staffing shitshow the faa created. My point is the union can’t come in on top of the faa’s already giant shit show and implement their own shit show on its members. You can’t implement crwg without dedication from the faa to get it done….INCLUDING financing it. If you do, we are just even MORE understaffed with the faa not cooperating. NCEPT is not working bc the faa Isn’t cooperating. So what’s the point of it being used?


The agency has never cared. The union should care. Don’t want to accommodate specialists in their trade?…..then enjoy motha fuckas puttin fed ex heavy’s on top of southwest takeoffs. Bc we are dumbing down this profession.

Don’t apply to sup jobs but don’t have a voice either unless you are Santa klaus minion. GAWD I am so ungrateful

Literally a few thousand BUEs yes. And with the current placement process it’s still growing.
The CRWG is not NATCAs, its a collaborative process between NATCA and management within the ATO. I don’t know how you argue that accurate staffing targets are a shitshow

 

[Papacharlie327]

Literally a few thousand BUEs yes. And with the current placement process it’s still growing.
The CRWG is not NATCAs, its a collaborative process between NATCA and management within the ATO. I don’t know how you argue that accurate staffing targets are a shitshow

Jesus man. Is that what u are gaining? That I’m arguing against accurate staffing? No. Everything SOUNDS GREAT! I’ll scream that from the rooftop. But has the faa gotten the funding for the crwg?? That’s literally the most important thing. I don’t trust a damn word they say. The finance department seems to hate us. I can see it now. Level 8 struggling tracon numbers go up 10 people. Three years later only 3 have been assigned to the facility. Sounds just like the faa

 

[Nothanks]

Jesus man. Is that what u are gaining? That I’m arguing against accurate staffing? No. Everything SOUNDS GREAT! I’ll scream that from the rooftop. But has the faa gotten the funding for the crwg?? That’s literally the most important thing. I don’t trust a damn word they say. The finance department seems to hate us. I can see it now. Level 8 struggling tracon numbers go up 10 people. Three years later only 3 have been assigned to the facility. Sounds just like the faa

The faa doesn’t fully have the funding yet, it’s a process.(I believe they have redirected some funds to increase hiring) The faa agrees they need the staffing. Natca is lobbying congress to change how our numbers are reported for appropriations. That is in faa reauthorization. It’s how we get faa finance out of this, and stop fucking with us.

 

[Move78]

Jesus man. Is that what u are gaining? That I’m arguing against accurate staffing? No. Everything SOUNDS GREAT! I’ll scream that from the rooftop. But has the faa gotten the funding for the crwg?? That’s literally the most important thing. I don’t trust a damn word they say. The finance department seems to hate us. I can see it now. Level 8 struggling tracon numbers go up 10 people. Three years later only 3 have been assigned to the facility. Sounds just like the faa

So what is “their own shitshow”?

 

[Papacharlie327]

The faa doesn’t fully have the funding yet, it’s a process.(I believe they have redirected some funds to increase hiring) The faa agrees they need the staffing. Natca is lobbying congress to change how our numbers are reported for appropriations. That is in faa reauthorization. It’s how we get faa finance out of this, and stop fucking with us.

That’s my only point. Sometimes I feel like NATCA wants to implement it before it gets funded. That’s not fair to us as controllers.

 

[Dolan]

Ncept works so long as there are bodies in the system. No system works without bodies.

Ehh, not really. If you knew when you were creating the transfer system that staffing would get to what it is today there are absolutely ways to do things that at least make transfers equitable. You'd still have people griping about wanting to transfer but you'd never make controllers face off with the prospect of literally never being able to get home their entire career.