- N90 New York Tracon
Override lines from one tracon to another? Never seen that done before, but I guess it's possible.The FAA has spent the last 10 years consolidating approaches and there are 15 more consolidations in the pipeline right now. This is the test run to see if everything runs smoothly before they bust the rest of the building up. They're sending ZSU to ZMA and SJU approach to RSW...the consolidations are only getting bigger. There are whispers of breaking up ZNY and sending the airspace to ZOB, ZDC, and ZBW because SWAP is the biggest crock of shit in the NAS.
As long as there are override lines, there's no reason the approach sectors can't be separated.
As for the "test run to see if everything runs smoothly" part, this is why I said what I said about them likely reversing this move down the line. It will NOT go smoothly! Consolidations elsewhere have little to no bearing on this. This is NY, and what happens there has significant repercussions to the entire NAS. When the airlines (and the flying public) start crying because of record delays, there will be enough pressure to bring the old status quo back. Whether that last part happens or not, that's yet to be seen, but that's my best guess. Time will tell, and I hope to live long enough to see that whole house of cards crumbling down.
Well, the thing is....there is no way to know for sure, but what is more likely? A disgruntled washout exaggerating, or an entire facility conspiring together over the course of two decades intentionally washing people out to keep the mythical overtime money coming?Yeah you're right he was clearly lying what was I thinking
Get real dude. Listen to what you're actually trying to imply. There is no conspiracy. It is a tough facility, but we were also getting a lot of garbage trainees, because the experienced people elsewhere didn't want to come to NY. It is the perfect catch 22 of staffing.
Besides the verbal coordination, there is SHARED airspace between LGA and JFK, as well as between LGA and EWR, and those are flow dependent. Having the areas in separate facilities will make a logistical nightmare for coordinating those, not to mention that you will need to craft new LOA's that cover those N90 only SOP procedures. One of them being ILLEGAL as per the .65 (special use line course divergence separation between EWR 04R departures and LGA arrivals up/down the river). How they plan to craft an illegal procedure into a new LOA is something I've been waiting with a lot of anticipation.Do they do a lot of verbal coordination or something? Why do the areas have to be together?
In the past, while all 3 areas are under one roof, there is ONE OM at the desk in charge of managing that airspace and telling the areas "ok, JFK is going to 13's, so LGA is also going to 13, which means TEB shuts down, and EWR goes to alternate departures". This is just one example/scenario, but good luck having this happen smoothly when the areas are split. the EWR area in PHL may just tell to LGA "screw you, we're not shutting down our stuff so you can run yours". This is how we felt quite often, but we had no choice but comply because it was the one OPS manager in charge. Once you involve multiple personalities and facilities....trust me, it won't be pretty.
Then again, maybe this new FAA is a place where everyone gets along nicely, and sing cumbaya together on the landlines!