Other than Natca time

[Jeff_DOD_Controller]

Context: So I am currently an FAA employee, been one for the last year and a half. I was military and a DOD 2152 for 4 years. I transferred from the DOD to the FAA- all my leave carried over, my time and everything. I understand my facility wasn’t natca but we were in a union (Liuna).
I was told certain unions were covered under Natca but I’m trying to find a list in a regulation, policy or something saying which unions are and which are not counted as Natca. Thanks

 

[CLRD4TO]

Context: So I am currently an FAA employee, been one for the last year and a half. I was military and a DOD 2152 for 4 years. I transferred from the DOD to the FAA- all my leave carried over, my time and everything. I understand my facility wasn’t natca but we were in a union (Liuna).
I was told certain unions were covered under Natca but I’m trying to find a list in a regulation, policy or something saying which unions are and which are not counted as Natca. Thanks

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I know AFGE time does not count. I was prior DoD myself before FAA.

 

[Maintainvfr]

What do you mean by other unions covered under NATCA?

 

[spider]

What do you mean by other unions covered under NATCA?

I think he is suggesting that he has heard that you will get NATCA time based on your time in other select unions. However, I have never personally heard of that.

 

[PushingTin]

Pretty sure NATCA doesn't give seniority for other unions. Some contract towers are represented by NATCA so that time would count towards seniority. Stop trying to scam the people at your new facility and take your wed/thu off with grace!

 

[Maintainvfr]

Okay yeah there aren't any other like sub unions or other unions that are a part of NATCA. I think someone you talked to was confusedm There are contract towers in NATCA, and some other lines of business covered that aren't ATC at all. If your tower joined a different union though, they chose poorly.

 

[liter a cola]

Old contract (rva) twr I worked at went natca supposedly... F that, the 6 months of seniority ain't worth the effort and time I would have to put in to get paperwork to prove it.

Plus my current facility has rotating days off so whateves.

 

[Phillyman2633]

Old contract (rva) twr I worked at went natca supposedly... F that, the 6 months of seniority ain't worth the effort and time I would have to put in to get paperwork to prove it.

Plus my current facility has rotating days off so whateves.

Maybe in your case, but this happened to a dude at my old tower who ended up jumping probably 5 or 6 spots after being at a contract tower for 2 years that went NATCA

 

[liter a cola]

Maybe in your case, but this happened to a dude at my old tower who ended up jumping probably 5 or 6 spots after being at a contract tower for 2 years that went NATCA

True, but my 6 months would just put me closer to the guy ahead of me. Honestly even years down the road if the 6 months would jump me over a few bue's I don't think I would do it.

Only time will tell though I guess.

 

[PushingTin]

Plus my current facility has rotating days off so whateves.

OHEMGEE rotators. you don't HAVE to put up w that you know. They're basically unconstitutional and only used at facilities who have done it that way in a "legacy" type way for 30 years and no one knows any better. RESIST.

 

[Maintainvfr]

OHEMGEE rotators. you don't HAVE to put up w that you know. They're basically unconstitutional and only used at facilities who have done it that way in a "legacy" type way for 30 years and no one knows any better. RESIST.

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Do you think people should also not be able to have flex sign in times?

 

[PushingTin]

Do you think people should also not be able to have flex sign in times?

I think flex start times are not germane to this part of the CBA insofar as you don't HAVE to flex. the fact that you are able to flex can only be seen as a good thing for the employee, not a bad thing. Insofar as you voluntarily flex, you are obviously assenting to the flexing and it is not a hardship or a grievance to you lol. More options are better than less. Being forced onto a schedule that sometimes gives you only 1 day off in a week is not the same thing, obviously.

Do you hate the CBA?

 

[Maintainvfr]

I think flex start times are not germane to this part of the CBA insofar as you don't HAVE to flex. the fact that you are able to flex can only be seen as a good thing for the employee, not a bad thing. More options are better than less.

Unfortunately, being beneficial to your narrative is not how something is made germane. It is absolutely the same discussion, seeing as the flexible hour is exclusive to the AWS portion of the contract. Obviously the good pieces are good, but if they're tied to pieces you don't like you can't dismiss them based on how they influence the pot you're trying to stir.

They agree to work AWS, or they don't. What you're implying someone does here has so much potential to blow up in their face it's insane

 

[PushingTin]

They agree to work AWS, or they don't. What you're implying someone does here has so much potential to blow up in their face it's insane

What do you mean blow up in someones face? All I did was post a portion of the CBA. Clearly states you must be a participant in writing to work an AWS. Are you saying if you don't agree to work a rotating schedule - where everyone has the same schedule from the brand new to the 30 year CPC - you can not flex your start times? That's nonsense.

 

[Maintainvfr]

I think flex start times are not germane to this part of the CBA insofar as you don't HAVE to flex. the fact that you are able to flex can only be seen as a good thing for the employee, not a bad thing. Insofar as you voluntarily flex, you are obviously assenting to the flexing and it is not a hardship or a grievance to you lol. More options are better than less. Being forced onto a schedule that sometimes gives you only 1 day off in a week is not the same thing, obviously.

Do you hate the CBA?

I guess I should address your edit too.

Flexing is only part of AWS. Agreeing to flex is agreeing to work AWS.

No, I love the CBA. I'm happy to help you understand it a little better.

 

[PushingTin]

No, I love the CBA. I'm happy to help you understand it a little better.

Thank you Sensai

 

[Maintainvfr]

What do you mean blow up in someones face? All I did was post a portion of the CBA. Clearly states you must be a participant in writing to work an AWS. Are you saying if you don't agree to work a rotating schedule - where everyone has the same schedule from the brand new to the 30 year CPC - you can not flex your start times? That's nonsense.

I'm saying if you don't agree to work AWS, you are ineligible to flex your start times. If you agree to work AWS, and your local decided they want to do rotating schedules, you've agreed to AWS and you have to also work a rotating schedule. You don't get to say I want this part of AWS but I'm not willing to rotate. You're agreeing to AWS, not each individual piece. If you say you don't want to work rotating, and you are going to get out of it by declining to work AWS and demanding a basic work schedule, guess what - you can't flex.

If you're the only one that does this, your facility only needs to make one basic watch line. Which could be anything they want. You could have 99 AWS rotating lines and one basic watch line that's Wednesday Thursday off rattler or whatever shifts you hate. Hence how it can blow up in your face.

 

[PushingTin]

You could have 99 AWS rotating lines and one basic watch line that's Wednesday Thursday off rattler or whatever shifts you hate. Hence how it can blow up in your face.

This is an argument that has been made countless times by people who hate seniority and want rotating schedules. In theory that could happen and would be legal. In reality it has never happened and never will. It is also illegal to Jaywalk and not claim taxes on the Tickle me Elmo you sold on Ebay. Get real man!

If you are in a facility with 40 people and 20 do not want to rotate, your wonky in the weeds punitive scheme goes to hell.

 

[Phillyman2633]

I would burn down an orphanage for rotating days off.

 

[liter a cola]

I would burn down an orphanage for rotating days off.

I know a facility that has them and can we negotiate on what building you burn down? It doesn't necessarily have to be an orphanage... Or it can be if you so choose.