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[bravoindia]

I haven’t had more than 10 planes on freq (including VFR) since March and that’s working the whole area combined.

That’s normal for EWR sector anyway.

I mean I get it, but with what seems to be about half the people back on bws or something close to it, and most of the rest seemingly back on 5/5, it's kind of mind blowing yall are still on 5/10 what with the staffing and normal traffic levels there. Hell we were never on 5/10 at all because of staffing and our numbers are better than yours by a bit. Especially because new York seems to be doing better than a lot of places with covid.

I mean good on you guys, milk it for all its worth I say, but damn, I can see how people think things about n90 when they see stuff like that.

New York is doing well with Covid because everyone left lmao.

 

[bravoindia]

American said they’ll wait on furloughs pending bailout. Airlines have added a lot of vacation destinations for winter and passenger counts are still trending up WOW. we’ll see.

AAL is a shitty example those fucks were enroute to chapter 11 prepandemic anyway

 

[32andBelow]

AAL is a shitty example those fucks were enroute to chapter 11 prepandemic anyway

OK Delta isn’t furloughing flight attendants or ground staff , United isn’t furloughing ground staff. Alaska and horizon aren’t furloughing pilots.

 

[Dontbotherme]

Delta has had thousands upon thousands of employees take buyouts and/or unpaid voluntary leaves of absence. They aren’t doing well, without bailout money. They are reducing their fleet like 30%+!

 

[Acquired Taste]

American said they’ll wait on furloughs pending bailout. Airlines have added a lot of vacation destinations for winter and passenger counts are still trending up WOW. we’ll see.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311451882976501760

Poor timing as that tweet was 6 mins after your post. Passenger counts have plateaued in the last month. Almost all of the airlines are dead in the water without government bailouts. If they'd just allow some to fail now, the strong will survive. Instead, they'll keep the zombie companies alive to further hurt the industry in the future. All this really amounts to is a really expensive way for the politicians to buy the votes of airline industry workers that would otherwise be laid off. It's the epitome of government inefficiency that is no more than one group of Americans funding the salaries of another group that happens to belong to a special interest group at a tremendous cost. Who cares about cost though, I know if it was up to you we could just print enough to pay off everyone's bills and debts and give them UBI and no one would have to work and we could all live happily ever after in Neverland.

 

[32andBelow]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311451882976501760

Poor timing as that tweet was 6 mins after your post. Passenger counts have plateaued in the last month. Almost all of the airlines are dead in the water without government bailouts. If they'd just allow some to fail now, the strong will survive. Instead, they'll keep the zombie companies alive to further hurt the industry in the future. All this really amounts to is a really expensive way for the politicians to buy the votes of airline industry workers that would otherwise be laid off. It's the epitome of government inefficiency that is no more than one group of Americans funding the salaries of another group that happens to belong to a special interest group at a tremendous cost. Who cares about cost though, I know if it was up to you we could just print enough to pay off everyone's bills and debts and give them UBI and no one would have to work and we could all live happily ever after in Neverland.

They haven’t platued. They continue to increase even thought it’s the slowest travel time of the year normally

 

[bravoindia]

OK Delta isn’t furloughing flight attendants or ground staff , United isn’t furloughing ground staff. Alaska and horizon aren’t furloughing pilots.

Idk where you’re going with this, if you think I’m a Delta guy you’re wrong. Just simply pointing out that before the pandemic that’s the only airline that wasn’t paying anything towards their debt, had some of the worst profit sharing and were truly going to be in another Chapter 11 scenario. They also have pilots that won’t fly thru a cloud but that’s besides the point.

Delta has had thousands upon thousands of employees take buyouts and/or unpaid voluntary leaves of absence. They aren’t doing well, without bailout money. They are reducing their fleet like 30%+!

It’s interesting the DAL strategy, they were arguably the favorite to survive as they were as strong as any airline has ever been. But this is an animal no one was prepared for and they truly don’t have an answer. Specific to that we’ll see if the 717,763, and CRJ2 go away in 3-5 years as they say. I think if 2021 summer traffic returns to 80-90% and business travel comes back by next fall some long term fleet decisions will change. It’s all fluid. Too bad they’re continuing to go all Airbus. Comfy ride, but for our profession, shitty as hell performing.

 

[Phillyman2633]

Specific to that we’ll see if the 717,763, and CRJ2 go away in 3-5 years as they say.

Nah the 717 is the most coveted airliner in the world probably, even more so than the 757. DAL will probably run them into the ground...and if they dont, they'll probably sell them to QFA for a premium.

 

[bravoindia]

Nah the 717 is the most coveted airliner in the world probably, even more so than the 757. DAL will probably run them into the ground...and if they dont, they'll probably sell them to QFA for a premium.

Lol they can’t sell what isn’t theirs.

 

[Phillyman2633]

Lol they can’t sell what isn’t theirs.

Are they leased? QFA, HAL, and DAL went into a bidding war when AirTran went out of business. Or so I thought.

 

[CF]

Delta is dumping the 717 because it overlaps with the a220. Someone will pick up those 717s.

 

[32andBelow]

Airlines are retiring fleets they were going to retire anyways.

 

[bravoindia]

Are they leased? QFA, HAL, and DAL went into a bidding war when AirTran went out of business. Or so I thought.

DAL has 91 717-200. 88 came from SWA. Almost all are leased. They own 13 of them. Which is why they are linked to rumors of 787/737MAX since Boeing can offer them a sweet deal in exchange for the 71s

 

[Shikaka]

They haven’t platued. They continue to increase even thought it’s the slowest travel time of the year normally

That looks like a plateau... #ExcelSkills

 

[Acquired Taste]

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That looks like a plateau... #ExcelSkills

Thank you for putting in the work using the Excel skills that I do not possess. Any way you could do it as percentage YoY?

 

[Shikaka]

Thank you for putting in the work using the Excel skills that I do not possess. Any way you could do it as percentage YoY?

Yeah I could do that, I'll have to wait a bit, currently wrestling a rabid toddler.

What exactly are you looking for?

 

[Phillyman2633]

DAL has 91 717-200. 88 came from SWA. Almost all are leased. They own 13 of them. Which is why they are linked to rumors of 787/737MAX since Boeing can offer them a sweet deal in exchange for the 71s

It's too bad Boeing decided to kill a bunch of people, I was really excited to see what kind of cool transatlantic p2p mid-market flights would pop up...PHL-LIS etc...

currently wrestling a rabid toddler.

 

[Acquired Taste]

Yeah I could do that, I'll have to wait a bit, currently wrestling a rabid toddler.

What exactly are you looking for?

I'm thinking just take the 2019 numbers and divide by 2020 and do a line graph of that percentage from march to now to get a good representation that is seasonally adjusted, though I'm pretty sure it's almost the same result. Or is there anyway to do like a 7 day rolling average of those percentages? That would probably be ideal

 

[Shikaka]

I'm thinking just take the 2019 numbers and divide by 2020 and do a line graph of that percentage from march to now to get a good representation that is seasonally adjusted, though I'm pretty sure it's almost the same result. Or is there anyway to do like a 7 day rolling average of those percentages? That would probably be ideal

A 7 day rolling average would pump out a lot of numbers which would need to be refined themselves to get anything meaningful from it.

I can do the percentage difference between the two using 2019 as a population versus 2020 as the deviation, that would be a bit more practical and line graphy.

For giggles I'll throw in a correlation between covid cases and air travel. See if it has any actual effect.

 

[bravoindia]

I mean the blame can run around but when you have shit pilots flying an airplane that requires attention and basic knowledge to operate and they can’t handle runaway trim? Yes the max was flawed and shame on Boeing and the FAA. But, in the instances it happened at SWA and UAL they solved the problem.