What the FAA could do to make work suck less

No dude, they have you fooled. Everyone gets 8 hours pay for a holiday no matter what. If I’m at home with my family I still get 8 hours pay. If instead I go in and work on Christmas I’m only gaining 8 hours pay. It’s worth less than working a random overtime shift.
 
Termine said:
If you're only getting paid 8 hours on the holiday itself that means the holiday itself is your RDO, so you're on overtime and you're earning time and a half... and you earned or will earn double time on your day in lieu. Or else you banged on your day in lieu and it got converted to free leave just like all the other non-essential workers get.
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If you don’t go in for the holiday you still get 8 hours of normal pay. It’s supposed to be a day off. So when they force us to come in we should be getting 150% just like any other overtime. Not just 100%.
 
Termine said:
What are you talking about "straight pay"? You work 8 hours on a holiday and you get paid for 16.

If you're only getting paid 8 hours on the holiday itself that means the holiday itself is your RDO, so you're on overtime and you're earning time and a half... and you earned or will earn double time on your day in lieu. Or else you banged on your day in lieu and it got converted to free leave just like all the other non-essential workers get.
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Oh man. I'm sorry you've worked your whole career believing you get paid 16 hrs for that holiday.

TimShady and Golf delta have explained it, but I'll pile on.

Every Federal Employee gets 11 federal holidays per year (meaning, you have a work day that you don't have to work, don't get charge any type of leave, and you still get 8hrs of pay!).

Controllers go and work that holiday (sometimes by choice, sometimes not by choice but they couldn't get it off) and in exchange for working that day, they get an extra 8hrs of pay for working...in other words, as others have mentioned on here, they get 8hrs of straight pay for working on their day off.

Let that sink in...you work on Christmas Day, or Thanksgiving day, days that all of the Federal Government has off, for less money than working on any of your other days off (RDOs) during the year, where they pay you 150%. Holidays should AT LEAST pay the same as working any other day off, but because they're more important (IMHO) than a regular RDO, I'd argue against Fat Porrey suggestion of 150% and Holidays should be 200% or more.
 
Golf delta said:
If you don’t go in for the holiday you still get 8 hours of normal pay.
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Right... 8 hours of normal pay but you don't have to go in to work. Just like everyone else in the government. I'm on board.

What happens if, instead of not going in to work, you do go in to work? Your LES for that pay period will show 80 hours of regular pay plus 8 hours of holiday pay. You were at work 80 hours and you got paid for 88.

ATC123 said:
Oh man. I'm sorry you've worked your whole career believing you get paid 16 hrs for that holiday.
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But.. you... do? Am I taking crazy pills? Do me a favor and go to your LES right now and check statement for pay period ending 10/21/23, pay period 22. Here's what I have:

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So I was at work for 80 hours that pay period, but I got paid for 88 hours. One of the days (the holiday) I earned pay two-for-one vs hours actually worked. In other words, I worked 8 and got paid 16.

If instead I had taken leave on the holiday then I would have been at work for 72 hours total and gotten paid for 80, without any deduction from my AL or SL balances.

I really don't understand your point. You are being paid 200% on that day, or if not on the holiday itself (because it's your RDO) then you're getting paid 200% on your day in lieu.
 
Technically you are, yes. But you have to consider you’d be getting paid 100% anyway to stay home. So you’re only getting 100% extra. The fact remains working a random Wednesday OT shift is worth a lot more than working on Christmas Day. No thanks.
 
TimShady said:
So you’re only getting 100% extra.
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Compared to 50% extra on a random OT shift, right. So we're on the same page. If your argument is that you want to make 200% extra on the holiday for a total of 300%, that's another discussion.
TimShady said:
The fact remains working a random Wednesday OT shift is worth a lot more than working on Christmas Day.
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Subjectively you could be right, if you value having time off on December 25th. What if you're Muslim and December 25th doesn't mean a whole lot to you? Objectively, 100% extra is "worth a lot more" than 50% extra. A holiday always pays more money than an OT day.
 
Termine said:
A holiday always pays more money than an OT day.
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Working a holiday never pays more money than an OT day.

If you stay home on an RDO, you get $0. If you go in for OT, you get 8hrs of pay at 150%, aka 12 hrs of straight pay.

If you stay home on a Holiday, you get paid 8hrs straight pay. If you go in to work on a holiday you get 8hrs more.

So in the OT situation, you gave up a day off and benefited with 12hrs of pay. In the holiday situation you gave up a day off and benefitted with 8hrs of pay.
 
ATC123 said:
So in the OT situation, you gave up a day off and benefited with 12hrs of pay. In the holiday situation you gave up a day off and benefitted with 8hrs of pay.
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Okay, I see your point. Got it. It's a perspective shift.

Edit. I will say that this is the same as it would be for a staff support specialist or anyone else in the government. If they got called in on a Friday holiday because there was a crash or whatever other reason, they would also be giving up a day off in exchange for only 8 hours extra... but if the crash happened on Saturday instead they would be giving up a day off in exchange for 12 hours. The only difference with us is that it happens as a matter of course, which obviously is an important difference.
 
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Tater_Toad said:
They're allowed to control traffic ffs. I bet they think earning a raise makes them lose money because of the tax bracket. Or they bitch when they get back pay because they tax the fuck out of it.

Y'all MFers RETARDED
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Kinda crazy how dumb some of these are. No perspective shift needed, holidays are straight pay and the worst bang for your buck.

Anyone that works a holiday is just a management SIMP.
 
Fat Porrey said:
Kinda crazy how dumb some of these are. No perspective shift needed, holidays are straight pay and the worst bang for your buck.

Anyone that works a holiday is just a management SIMP.
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Alternatively you just look at the facts. You chose to work in the service industry, you're a public servant. The public travels 24/7/365 and you knew it when you took the job. So everybody gets 8 hours of extra pay for the holiday whether you worked it or not. The real complaint should be only 25% for the Sunday after a holiday. But if you take Sunday Monday off then you get your 8 hours holiday pay (48 hours pay for 40 hours work you ignorant fuckwits) and you probably get an OT on top of it. (OT is 12 hours pay for 8 hours work that you're not even supposed to be scheduled for)

Holiday pay is the best bang for your buck because YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE UP A RDO AND YOU GET A FULL DAY OF EXTRA PAY FOR DOING THE SAME FUCKING SHIT YOU DID LAST WEEK!

Wanting more, wanting fair treatment, and wanting a safety job to be paid top end of middle class is fine. It's what we should be paid for keeping dipshit pilots from getting people killed.

Right now you guys sound like entitled pieces of shit just crying unjustifiably "MORE, MORE, LIFE'S NOT FAIR" imagine being a firefighter and complaining that you work on holidays. Stupidity don't take a day off and some people have to be on post to guard our fellow dumbfucks. You knew the trade-off when you took the job, travel doesn't take a day off. Order a slice of humble pie this Thursday.
 
These are probably the same people who complain they have to work for 1:15 after having a 2+ hour break (increasingly rare, I get it, but it does happen). Did people never actually work for a living before this job? I understand the wages aren't keeping up with our counterparts in the private sector, but FFS. Our job can be so damn cushy. I got paid $70+/hr last night to watch Netflix for two hours. What kind of job does that? Yes, it sucks sometimes, but most of the time it's pretty damn awesome.

That being said, I do feel for those stuck at the level 4's of the NAS. You have my thoughts and prayers.
 
bomber996 said:
These are probably the same people who complain they have to work for 1:15 after having a 2+ hour break (increasingly rare, I get it, but it does happen). Did people never actually work for a living before this job? I understand the wages aren't keeping up with our counterparts in the private sector, but FFS. Our job can be so damn cushy. I got paid $70+/hr last night to watch Netflix for two hours. What kind of job does that? Yes, it sucks sometimes, but most of the time it's pretty damn awesome.

That being said, I do feel for those stuck at the level 4's of the NAS. You have my thoughts and prayers.
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On the flip side my facility has cracked down on electronics on the mid, which is fine, but the severity of punishment varies based on how in you are with the people defending you. Pro standards vs street time.

I probably get a combined 2.5 hours of break time per shift, typically we work 1.5 and then 45 break.

With no hope for staffing and no hope to get to your facility
 
Phillytroll69 said:
On the flip side my facility has cracked down on electronics on the mid, which is fine, but the severity of punishment varies based on how in you are with the people defending you. Pro standards vs street time.

I probably get a combined 2.5 hours of break time per shift, typically we work 1.5 and then 45 break.

With no hope for staffing and no hope to get to your facility
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How are they catching people? They being dumb?

Also, anyone hear of someone getting in trouble for an e-reader? Not a tablet but the E-Ink readers that don’t have games or surf the web.
 
Mike Kilo said:
How are they catching people? They being dumb?

Also, anyone hear of someone getting in trouble for an e-reader? Not a tablet but the E-Ink readers that don’t have games or surf the web.
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Distractions are distractions. Shouldn’t matter right??? I’m surprised smart watches are overlooked.
 

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