NATCA

[32andBelow]

1.5 years out of 20 that additional income would cost 550k.

Plus tsp match and less step increases

 

[ClearanceClarence]

You aren’t entitled to shit. You can have a heart attack and die tomorrow.

Then why care about anything at all? Come on dude, you’re being ridiculous lmao.

 

[SharkBait]

You aren’t entitled to shit. You can have a heart attack and die tomorrow.

Money lost is money lost, dont care what your opinion is, its a fact. A ton of people are losing a lot of money, money that you seem to care a lot about when its your own but not other people.

 

[32andBelow]

I always said I understand why CPCs want this schedule. But I’ll never ever understand the anti training trainees

 

[Flashy Vectors]

We’re you promised to go to a high level facility and make 180k or a level 4 shit tower. We’re you promised to go to an easy area or hard area. We’re you promised to check out in 6 months in a tower or 5 years in NY. You can bitch about endless possibilities and outcomes but it won’t make your life any more satisfying.

I always said I understand why CPCs want this schedule. But I’ll never ever understand the anti training trainees

I’m not anti training, I’m anti entitlement.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

I’m not anti training, I’m anti entitlement.

So wanting to go to work and do your job is entitlement?

 

[32andBelow]

I’m not anti training, I’m anti entitlement.

None of these people are entitled. They just want to go to the job they were allegedly hired for. ATCs aren’t exactly type b laid back ppl

 

[Flashy Vectors]

So wanting to go to work and do your job is entitlement?

None of these people are entitled. They just want to go to the job they were allegedly hired for. ATCs aren’t exactly type b laid back ppl

We’re not talking about being bored and wanting to work. We’re bitching about raises and money lost from delays.

 

[SharkBait]

I’m not anti training, I’m anti entitlement.

Its pretty clear what people think, and you are in the minority here. You can accept it or not, but you got your question answered.

 

[32andBelow]

We’re not talking about being bored and wanting to work. We’re bitching about raises and money lost from delays.

There were delays before Covid. Covid put a lot of ppl over the edge

 

[Ad1234]

Lets say qualifying takes a year, so lets do some math, a difference in 60k a year AG-CPC? If you had a standard market return of 10% and nothing else, 19 years of compounding interest is 400K.

Standard market return over the last 20 is no more 7 percent. So where you got 10 thats bullshit. You’d only see about 40 of that 60 anyway, so really that loss of income at most would be 160, if you touch none of that 40 which you and I both know would not happen. If 160 at the end of your career is actually a problem you did something wrong over those same 19 years.

 

[Flashy Vectors]

There were delays before Covid. Covid put a lot of ppl over the edge

The union put out a training plan that forced people to get hours regardless of traffic.

 

[Ad1234]

Plus tsp match and less step increases

Did I already school you on this months ago?

 

[32andBelow]

The union put out a training plan that forced people to get hours regardless of traffic.

That didn’t force you into a classroom which is by far the biggest delay. There was also the gov shutdown.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Standard market return over the last 20 is no more 7 percent. So where you got 10 thats bullshit. You’d only see about 40 of that 60 anyway, so really that loss of income at most would be 160, if you touch none of that 40 which you and I both know would not happen. If 160 at the end of your career is actually a problem you did something wrong over those same 19 years.

If $160K is nothing, I’ve got Venmo and Cashapp. Send $160K my way and see if you miss it.

 

[32andBelow]

Did I already school you on this months ago?

We are in a vindaloop

 

[SharkBait]

Standard market return over the last 20 is no more 7 percent. So where you got 10 thats bullshit. You’d only see about 40 of that 60 anyway, so really that loss of income at most would be 160, if you touch none of that 40 which you and I both know would not happen. If 160 at the end of your career is actually a problem you did something wrong over those same 19 years.

Just reran the numbers, 60k in one year, put into an account for 19 years with 7% compounding interest with nothing added or touched like TSP,

$225,987.66​

Dont know about where you are from but a quarter of a million would buy a nice house.

For 29 years

454,158.68​

you are dumb if you think thats chump change

 

[Flashy Vectors]

That didn’t force you into a classroom which is by far the biggest delay. There was also the gov shutdown.

What did the union have to do with a shutdown. Training delays are not because of the union. NATCA has been fighting for training orders and free leave for trainees. Realistically the best way NATCA can help classroom training at facilities is to get a bigger budget for staffing the training department.

Just reran the numbers, 60k in one year, put into an account for 19 years with 7% compounding interest with nothing added or touched like TSP,

$225,987.66​

Dont know about where you are from but a quarter of a million would buy a nice house.

For 29 years

454,158.68​

you are dumb if you think thats chump change

If you would have invested all your lunch money in Amazon stock you wouldn’t need to work either.

 

[32andBelow]

What did the union have to do with a shutdown. Training delays are not because of the union. NATCA has been fighting for training orders and free leave for trainees. Realistically the best way NATCA can help classroom training at facilities is to get a bigger budget for staffing the training department.

They didn’t. But the training program has been riddled with delays so this current 1.5 year delay is too much for some people. So they don’t like being held out more when there’s already so many delays. Also everything is collaborated as they like to say. So they can hold all the Ws and Ls with the faa

 

[Peter Gibbons]

An earthquake could open a crack beneath 32andBelow's z and swallow it back to the eternal hell it belongs in and he'd be like "why am I not training?"