February (Q2) 2022

[Morgan_Freeman_But_Not]

…there’s another thread for that.

 

[32andBelow]

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…there’s another thread for that.

This panel is over bro

 

[Move78]

Like I said I don't think it's a thing anymore. The way it was being done a while ago was the FACREP was ranking people based on contributions. I'm not saying if you didn't donate you didn't get picked up, I'm saying if you did donate you would get ranked higher. This wasn't a conspiracy this was put out by an RVP on a FACREP phone call. Thankfully some FACREPs had enough common sense to not do it but a few 100% did what they were told.

PACs should be illegal.
Doubt many reps did that if they didn’t agree with it. But maybe, who knows. You’re allowed to care about contributions to the common cause. The RVPs aren’t policing rankings. And NATCA does not control all rankings. Some ATMs are not collaborative.
But as long as conservative America wants bribing congress to be legal then bribing congress will be mandatory.
If you don’t give to the PAC you either don’t know how our shitty government works or you do know and you’re ok with others footing the bill on your behalf. Complacency is easy. It’s fine, it’s a choice. No insult.
PACs should be illegal.

 

[Bama]

When is the next panel? I'm trying to get out before my trainer.

 

[ManBearPig]

PACs should be illegal.
Doubt many reps did that if they didn’t agree with it. But maybe, who knows. You’re allowed to care about contributions to the common cause. The RVPs aren’t policing rankings. And NATCA does not control all rankings. Some ATMs are not collaborative.
But as long as conservative America wants bribing congress to be legal then bribing congress will be mandatory.
If you don’t give to the PAC you either don’t know how our shitty government works or you do know and you’re ok with others footing the bill on your behalf. Complacency is easy. It’s fine, it’s a choice. No insult.
PACs should be illegal.

You may want to go poke around the Open Secrets website.

 

[Move78]

You may want to go poke around the Open Secrets website.

That’s what the post is about

That’s what the post is about

Your insinuation that "conservative America" is why there are PACs and money in politics is what drew my response. Placing blame on one political party for our shitty system is laughable.

 

[jamisjockey]

Your insinuation that "conservative America" is why there are PACs and money in politics is what drew my response. Placing blame on one political party for our shitty system is laughable.

All of this.

Both parties try and use power to control how money enters politics, so they can cripple the other party.
Neither party will ever turn down special interest monies

 

[Move78]

All of this.

Both parties try and use power to control how money enters politics, so they can cripple the other party.
Neither party will ever turn down special interest monies

In the current model no one is basically allowed to turn down special interest money. Almost a guaranteed loss.

That’s what the post is about


Your insinuation that "conservative America" is why there are PACs and money in politics is what drew my response. Placing blame on one political party for our shitty system is laughable.

ManBearPigs reply is showing as my post? Idk what happened there but in response: it’s of course a reference to Citizens United. A conservative PACs lawsuit with an entirely conservative ruling with specifically conservative support. The Opinion of the Court and the conservative Concurrences were grossly corrupt even in the moment. And the liberal dissent made perfect sense and outlined exactly what would happen because it was obvious. Also very accurate in hindsight.
It’s not a biased opinion, I hate both parties. But only 1 is responsible for this particular portion of the mess.

ManBearPigs reply is showing as my post? Idk what happened there but in response: it’s of course a reference to Citizens United. A conservative PACs lawsuit with an entirely conservative ruling with specifically conservative support. The Opinion of the Court and the conservative Concurrences were grossly corrupt even in the moment. And the liberal dissent made perfect sense and outlined exactly what would happen because it was obvious. Also very accurate in hindsight.
It’s not a biased opinion, I hate both parties. But only 1 is responsible for this particular portion of the mess.

While I agree with the premise that the decision was bad, money in politics didn't start in 2010 with that decision. Here are the top contributions in the 2008 Presidential cycle, before that court case. The citizen united case was about trying to keep up in the money arms race, not starting it. Both "sides" are guilty as hell. Including NATCA, who gave $1,000,000ish to an Obama super pac.

Edit: Public university employees spending too much money contributing to political campaigns. Jesus.

 

[Jeepviper]

Why is the ncept process not done every month or at least every 2 months.

 

[Jay-Jay Jet Plane]

But, but what about social distancing? What about stay home and save a life? I feel like a murderer showing up to work knowing I could infect someone. We should go back to 5/5

I agreed. I loved the schedule. They either need to go back to it or drop all the distancing and mask crap. you cant have it both ways. they want us distanced in the break room by right on top of each other to meet the 5 hour training NTI.

Hey Move78 do you have any intel on the Q3 dates? you seem to know everything lol

 

[Move78]

Hey Move78 do you have any intel on the Q3 dates? you seem to know everything lol

No

 

[CaptainObvious]

Why is the ncept process not done every month or at least every 2 months.

Because NATCA doesn’t want more people moving

 

[Move78]

Because NATCA doesn’t want more people moving

This is untrue.
Stop trolling the message board some people use the information provided here to make their decisions.

 

[AB19]

Okay, you apply for Texas and you get Midland. Now you have paperwork in for DAL the second you get checked out. This doesn't solve the underlying problem of people wanting specific desirable facilities. The statistics showed (which is why they moved away from this system) that people will still apply to certain facilities even if they are close to their home.

Hey what’s wrong with midland

 

[SolicitSVFR]

I agreed. I loved the schedule. They either need to go back to it or drop all the distancing and mask crap. you cant have it both ways. they want us distanced in the break room by right on top of each other to meet the 5 hour training NTI.

Hey Move78 do you have any intel on the Q3 dates? you seem to know everything lol

The crazy part is we can't train anyone unless they have a waiver because social distancing or whatever. But it's cool to shoot the poop with all 5 of them in the break room not social distancing. What a joke.

 

[32andBelow]

The crazy part is we can't train anyone unless they have a waiver because social distancing or whatever. But it's cool to shoot the poop with all 5 of them in the break room not social distancing. What a joke.

At centers you can’t train but you can d side for your trainer

 

[CaptainObvious]

This is untrue.
Stop trolling the message board some people use the information provided here to make their decisions.

Is it not? Has NATCA addressed any of the discontent with the process? Or made movements more free? Or has it become more and more restrictive and nebulous

 

[Electricfence]

Is it not? Has NATCA addressed any of the discontent with the process? Or made movements more free? Or has it become more and more restrictive and nebulous

There is no proof they don’t want people to move. It’s just dangerous to say it, when you have zero idea. Especially when you have no idea how many were allowed to move before ncept.

They want to increase the health of 312 facilities. Which is extremely difficult when single people wanting to move that don’t give a fuck about training their replacement or leaving midland Texas in a worse position than when they arrived. I’m not saying I blame them, but people are unhappy because they feel and in some case actually can’t get out. That can often times be at odds with increases the staffing percentage rages nationally


I’d love to see the overall national average per ppt since they started publishing them. Has it gone up down? Gone in waves?

If it’s gone up, Natca and the FAA will be happy so why change when their exact goal is met. Just maybe slower than they would like because people file bullshit hardships or don’t give a fuck to train well or care about increasing staffing. Again I don’t blame them.

 

[32andBelow]

There is no proof they don’t want people to move. It’s just dangerous to say it, when you have zero idea. Especially when you have no idea how many were allowed to move before ncept.

They want to increase the health of 312 facilities. Which is extremely difficult when single people wanting to move that don’t give a fuck about training their replacement or leaving midland Texas in a worse position than when they arrived. I’m not saying I blame them, but people are unhappy because they feel and in some case actually can’t get out. That can often times be at odds with increases the staffing percentage rages nationally


I’d love to see the overall national average per ppt since they started publishing them. Has it gone up down? Gone in waves?

If it’s gone up, Natca and the FAA will be happy so why change when their exact goal is met. Just maybe slower than they would like because people file bullshit hardships or don’t give a fuck to train well or care about increasing staffing. Again I don’t blame them.

Bruh they don’t even let trainees that haven’t done anything yet swap on their own dime

 

[ZO]

Bruh they don’t even let trainees that haven’t done anything yet swap on their own dime

That would be such a logistical nightmare. You get two people to agree to swap, now you have trainees on both sides mad that they couldn't swap also. How do you ensure fairness in that. And what about move times? Do they potentially swap sides of the country on their RDOs or the 3 days of leave they've accrued?