Enroute Class pass rate

[Mr.Tickles]

If you don't mind me asking, what made the 4 fail? Was the radar eval just super hard?

We had 5 in my class fail and none of them were that surprising. 3 of them hardly studied at all the entire academy and seemed surprised when they failed.

The other two were tough. Both of them really wanted it and studied their ass off the entire academy. It just didn’t click soon enough for them. One needed a 26 on his last eval and got a 24. Wasn’t able to get any points back either.

 

[ONE]

We had 5 in my class fail and none of them were that surprising. 3 of them hardly studied at all the entire academy and seemed surprised when they failed.

The other two were tough. Both of them really wanted it and studied their ass off the entire academy. It just didn’t click soon enough for them. One needed a 26 on his last eval and got a 24. Wasn’t able to get any points back either.

What's the best way to practice for radar, in your opinion?

 

[OKbusyB]

What's the best way to practice for radar, in your opinion?

Outwardly ask about every error written on your sheet after every problem. Notice the ones you make more than a few times and ask for extra help. The ones that did the worst in my class never asked questions or brought up concerns. Didn’t want to look bad in front of everyone I guess.

I reread my reports over and over when I wasn’t running a problem and tried to correctly do the things I messed up in my head.

Repetition and not caring how “stupid” a question seemed helped me the most.

 

[ONE]

Outwardly ask about every error written on your sheet after every problem. Notice the ones you make more than a few times and ask for extra help. The ones that did the worst in my class never asked questions or brought up concerns. Didn’t want to look bad in front of everyone I guess.

I reread my reports over and over when I wasn’t running a problem and tried to correctly do the things I messed up in my head.

Repetition and not caring how “stupid” a question seemed helped me the most.

Does the radar-lab help in anyway?

 

[OKbusyB]

Does the radar-lab help in anyway?

I’m not sure what you’re asking.

 

[ONE]

I’m not sure what you’re asking.

There's a radar lab downstairs of the MMAC for practice, is it helpful to run sims on it? Just wondering

 

[OKbusyB]

There's a radar lab downstairs of the MMAC for practice, is it helpful to run sims on it? Just wondering

It was broken when my class went through, so I never used it. The extra practice would be nice, but I’d use caution to not practice incorrect stuff. The extra keyboard entry practice would be really nice though.

 

[Mike Kilo]

It was broken when my class went through, so I never used it. The extra practice would be nice, but I’d use caution to not practice incorrect stuff. The extra keyboard entry practice would be really nice though.

In tower class they wouldn’t let us stay after and use the table top, “it would give us an unfair advantage”.

 

[Mr. Miner]

The people who failed out of our class decided to have the evaluator come get their stuff because they were too embarrassed to face the class. No goodbyes or anything.

I would do the same. If I fail I'm Nope-ing out of there ASAP

 

[Mr.Tickles]

What's the best way to practice for radar, in your opinion?

Like what was mentioned repetition is super important. Ensure every bit of phraseology is completely memorized and you can recall it instantly. Just as important, if not more so than that is your LOAs. Make sure those are memorized just as well. Obviously airspace.

My study partner and I had a map we'd made on a whiteboard. We'd take turns putting scenarios on the board and then would go through them with all the calls and such. That helped because we'd try and trick each other requiring us to think outside the box. We did the lab some to help with typing practice. Which for practicing the longer key board entries helped a lot.

 

[bomber996]

There's a radar lab downstairs of the MMAC for practice, is it helpful to run sims on it? Just wondering

The evals are designed to give you enough time to do everything that comes your way. You just have to be able to do them right THE FIRST TIME. If you struggle with putting in a flight plan, for instance, and have to attempt it a 2nd time you will get behind and struggle to catch up.

The lab is great for practice with stuff like this. If you cannot put a flight plan in the system in 30-40 seconds then you need practice.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Thanks buddy now let’s hear the non smartass answer!

It’s the same answer for every class: some people fold under pressure, some get their hand held during practice runs and aren’t as good as they think they are, Some don’t take the academics as serious as they should and lose out on easy points, etc. I’d say, generally, people know their LOAs and SOPs well but The application of those rules under the weight of having big bad scary evaluators watching is too much for some people so they make stupid errors.

 

[ONE]

It’s the same answer for every class: some people fold under pressure, some get their hand held during practice runs and aren’t as good as they think they are, Some don’t take the academics as serious as they should and lose out on easy points, etc. I’d say, generally, people know their LOAs and SOPs well but The application of those rules under the weight of having big bad scary evaluators watching is too much for some people so they make stupid errors.

Not to sound like an asshole but how do you miss out on easy points in academics? Everyone in my class has been averaging low 90s for every academic part so far lol...

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Not to sound like an asshole but how do you miss out on easy points in academics? Everyone in my class has been averaging low 90s for every academic part so far lol...

Some people don’t pay attention in class and don’t study.

 

[32andBelow]

Not to sound like an asshole but how do you miss out on easy points in academics? Everyone in my class has been averaging low 90s for every academic part so far lol...

Some chick failed with 69.99 when I was there. Found out later she got a 70 on a ckt.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Some chick failed with 69.99 when I was there. Found out later she got a 70 on a ckt.

The Academy people definitely have some flexibility with final grades too. If they really wanted to, they absolutely could find an extra 0.01% somewhere for someone like that. Probably saw see got a 70 on the CKT though and that convinced them to send her home.

 

[JTL2ATC]

Not to sound like an asshole but how do you miss out on easy points in academics? Everyone in my class has been averaging low 90s for every academic part so far lol...

If you aren’t getting a 100, you’ve missed out on easy points.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Not to sound like an asshole but how do you miss out on easy points in academics? Everyone in my class has been averaging low 90s for every academic part so far lol...

I can’t tell you that answer. I had people in my class who Scored in the 80s on their map test. The formatting of the test was weird, but That’s inexcusable in my opinion. You should score in the 90s on those tests and 100 on the map test, but that’s not always the case. The goal should be to have at least 30/34 before radar evals. That gives you an opportunity to screw up one problem pretty badly and still pass. The lowest score going into radar who still passed In my class had a 27. I had classmates with over 30 fail. Sometimes there’s no rhyme or reason.

 

[denver0739]

I think LOA memorization is under rated. It’s literally the definition of how you will be graded and what is going to be expected.

Then of course, know your map, even in radar. It seems obvious but it’s easy to overlook cause you already “took the map test” but if you know it stone cold you’re not struggling for reference points.

That taps into phraseology, if you know your map, and your LOAs then use that with good phraseology you’ll prolly do just fine.

Really it all comes down to simply knowing your crap. Do that and you’ll be fine.

 

[PlaneFlasher]

I can’t tell you that answer. I had people in my class who Scored in the 80s on their map test. The formatting of the test was weird, but That’s inexcusable in my opinion. You should score in the 90s on those tests and 100 on the map test, but that’s not always the case. The goal should be to have at least 30/34 before radar evals. That gives you an opportunity to screw up one problem pretty badly and still pass. The lowest score going into radar who still passed In my class had a 27. I had classmates with over 30 fail. Sometimes there’s no rhyme or reason.

I had more than 32 points going into Radar and barely passed. I choked on Radar evals. It wasn't nervousness per se. I was as prepared, capable and confident as anyone. If I had to make an excuse it would be having evals on Monday and Tuesday and going in cold. I made stupid mistakes that cost me a lot of points (like forgetting to key up when accepting a manual handoff).

The most important thing in Radar is don't hit anything. To not hit anything you have to scan well. Scan for departures, airspace and the ACL. Forget the phones or tasks meant to distract you . . . look for those things that will cost you 12+ points and only take care of other things when you're damn sure your not going to hit anything. Yeah you have to know the LOAs and SOPs but all the stuff needed on evals is stuff you'll know from just running practice problems.