Andrew
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Ah, yeah it loads up the separate webpage than you click more top left and select open in numbers.
3rd Quarter 2017
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Thank you very much.
GulfBravoPapa
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Guam has got to be a tough sell... I had to Google Maps it... It is WAY out there.
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On the priority list, why the hell are places on there that are either well staffed or above national average so high up? Example: MCO.
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
breakaway2000
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It's only what like 6,000 miles off the coast of California lol
It's because the Decision Lense Criteria was written by an imbecile. The formula places a massive weighted advantage on core 30 tower onlys. The current formula isn't sustainable in my opinion. It is completely underserving the nations larger TRACONs and that problem will only grow with time. It'll probably end up getting changed because of budget problems as opposed to just plain common sense. The common sense angle is that the TRACONS have much longer training times and are coupled with much lower success rates and both of those can also contribute to diminished interest in ERR. But the slower turnaround times I'm sure have already lead to massive amounts of wasted payroll for OT. The money might inspire a change.
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GulfBravoPapa
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As an outsider to this process who's only real knowledge comes from reading the message boards... Isn't that kind of the point of this whole process? To get as many facilities as possible to the national average as opposed to staffing some facilities to 100+% and some to 50%?
corn4ahead
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The problem is not that some facilities get staffed to 100% as others get staffed to 50%. The core of the problem is the hiring by the FAA and the hiring process. The FAA wouldn't be able to afford to pay all the CPCs under the current "budget" if every facility was staffed to 100%. Therefore, what is the rush for the FAA to push more hiring? In their eyes, they probably feel like they are doing just enough to get by. While NATCA, also being tied up in the budget controversy, tries to make its members feel good by getting small things changed here and there. But realistically, what are they more concerned about: A consistent budget stream or the NCEPT process? It's a no-brainer.
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Without writing a 5,000 words response I'll give you the outlined version...
1. Terminal academy grads are sent to facilities 7 or below
2. If you don't staff 8-9's to 100%, the few CPCs at 7 and belows that are eligible will continue to jump to 10-12's, leaving 8-9's frozen
3. If 7 and belows don't fill 8-9's, the FAA then has to fill those facilities with prior experience new hires
4. Now prior experience new hires are being sent to a lot of desirable 8-9's to put them above the national average thus preventing current CPCs the opportunity.
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Short objective version: It becomes Mathematiclly impossible very quickly for a facility to get inbound slots under thier methodology. New hires don't get placed in midlevel facilities. This leaves no way to bring in new people. Allowing slots up to 100% alleviates this lockdown to an extent.
GulfBravoPapa
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Would a movement level cap help? Or just prolong the movement? IE you can only move 2 or 3 levels. That might give some of the 8-9s a chance
rugbydog11
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That could be very good. That way you are gaining more experienced controllers who can understand the level jump. Unrealistic currently because of the huge gap of when they didnt hire anyone, but I personally think you should have to prove you can work a 4-7 before a 8-10 then an 11/12. But opinions of controllers mean nothing to the faa.
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NCEPT panel has been considering that actually. Haven't made a decision on it yet, other than to keep an eye on it and see what happens.
breakaway2000
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It would open up a Pandora's box of new issues. As long as new hires are being sent to 10-12 centers, telling terminal CPCs they need to move 2 to 3 times to get to where new hires are being sent won't go over well.
I don't disagree with you...however, if terminal students going into the academy know this and they don't want to do it because they feel it's unfair...there's thousands of others that would be happy to take their place to start a career like this. Set the rules and go from there. You aren't going to have a shortage of willing employees ready to start a career.
I can't speak for all but being in the agency for a while now and knowing what I know...If I had the option going into the academy of a level 10-12 center or going to a 5/6 tower out of the academy and knowing it would take 2 steps to jump to the big levels, I'd still take terminal no doubt about it.
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The level restriction rule would be terrible!!!!!!
breakaway2000
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As we're talking about transferring it's more so directed at the people who were already placed at smaller level facilities and have been for years, it's completely different if rules are in place prior to starting in the agency.
That's great you feel that way about terminal, others do not.
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