A80

[SugarFoot1]

I think I used 1. In December because sugarfoot had me out way too late. Haven't used a single sick day this year and was 6 daying almost every week oct16-april17. I can't imagine ever going somewhere that a 6 day week is the norm. I'd kill for a 4 10s schedule or even a part time like 30 hours a week gig which are super hard to come by.

Get ready for the going away bash...

 

[DankVectorz]

Strange, I think I only used two sick days all last year, for actually being sick

If you have sick time left over here people get suspicious you're planning to go management

 

[rugbydog11]

If you have sick time left over here people get suspicious you're planning to go management

I've used like 5 days in 7 years.

 

[Dontbotherme]

Robertb, thanks for all your info. The one thing you didn't answer though.... truly, how do you stay happy with only one day off per week? Is it difficult to deal with?

The morale here is quite excellent especially given the staffing issues. That helps out a lot! You find ways to maximize your time away or, unfortunately, people bid their annual leave to avoid OT assignments as the local directive is all available people (staff specialists, TMU, etc.) will be used before assigning OT to a person in conjunction with annual leave.

 

[Dontbotherme]

If you have sick time left over here people get suspicious you're planning to go management

#Truth. If you added up every person on Tue/Wed and Wed/Thu, we'd probably have 300 hours of sick leave together.

 

[avgeek11]

Hey Rob, just curious, what's the furthest commute you're aware of by a BUE? What areas besides Fayetteville, and Peachtree City would you consider "reasonable" to live in, knowing the traffic around the area.

 

[Dontbotherme]

Hey Rob, just curious, what's the furthest commute you're aware of by a BUE? What areas besides Fayetteville, and Peachtree City would you consider "reasonable" to live in, knowing the traffic around the area.

The longest were Jasper and Columbus to Peachtree City, but those two guys retired in the last few years. Currently, the longest, I'm aware of is Social Circle to Peachtree City.

I'd suggest Newnan, Sharpsburg, Tyrone, Peachtree City, Fayetteville, Brooks, or Senoia for a reasonable commute. Avoid Clayton County especially if you have children as their school system is complete garbage.

 

[avgeek11]

Thanks Rob, appreciate the info. I also heard the same thing about Clayton County

 

[CaptainObvious]

So with the new MOU how competitive is the list going to become for A80? I'd imagine a lot more mid to high level transfers will shut down the chances for the lower levels like the ones that made it through previous NCEPT panels

 

[Dontbotherme]

So with the new MOU how competitive is the list going to become for A80? I'd imagine a lot more mid to high level transfers will shut down the chances for the lower levels like the ones that made it through previous NCEPT panels

Personally, I hope it is extremely competitive with 50+ people from level 10 and higher TRACONs. Also, if you're unsuccessful after transferring, you get sent straight back to where you came from without playing the NEST lotto...

 

[breakaway2000]

> All,
>
> The NCEPT will be meeting on October 3 to make selections under the new A80/LAX MOU. The deadline for submissions of ERRs in order to be considered at this panel will be September 25. The PPT will be updated on September 27 and the managerial rankings will begin on September 28.
>
> Feel free to disseminate this information

Awesome development for you guys. Any idea on the frequency of your pulls? Is this a one time special event then you'll continue selections with each subsequent NCEPT panel or do you think you'll be able to draw monthly/bi-monthly?

 

[corn4ahead]

A80 may not be on 6 day work weeks for that much longer after all.

 

[astrocomet]

@Robertb What is average time to full certification for someone who has previous high level radar experience? Also, what is your average time spent on position and average break time?

 

[Dontbotherme]

Awesome development for you guys. Any idea on the frequency of your pulls? Is this a one time special event then you'll continue selections with each subsequent NCEPT panel or do you think you'll be able to draw monthly/bi-monthly?

I think it will occur with the NCEPT panels (after this special one in October) so I'll say every three months, but I need to have that verified.

 

[Dontbotherme]

@Robertb What is average time to full certification for someone who has previous high level radar experience? Also, what is your average time spent on position and average break time?

Average time to certify, I'm guessing here, for someone from say a 10 or higher is right around a year. We had two controllers (one from D10 and one from L30) transfer in, complete labs/classroom, and certified in like 7-8 months from the time they walked in the door.

Currently, I'd say the average time spent on position, for the whole year, is around 1+25-1+30 per position assignment. It seems to be going down as we've had some trainees certify and they can work CSG, AHN, MCN, DEP, and SAT. Though that means that there are more CPCs spending their entire summer, or at least it seemed like it, working the Atlanta Approach Wall. We come in from a break and "run the list" unless directed by a sup or OM to have another position assignment. You're supposed to see who's first (whether you're eligible to get them or not) and ask them if they want a bump or let them know when the next available person will be back. Some people here are shitbags, when weather comes out, and either skip a position, they don't like/want, or go down the list without every asking the people at the top, if they aren't able to get them up. Don't worry, those people are well known and they receive the same treatment. (Example: one person would get to SAT or AHN as soon as they could and pass break after break until they were near/slightly over two hours so they didn't have to work the Atlanta Approach Wall when it was busy or had thunderstorms. People caught on to that and would start passing on SAT and AHN until that individual got to the Atlanta Approach Wall and then take the next available break. Said individual would sit there and people would purposely pass them for people with lower TOP. Their bullshit ended around two weeks later.)

Typical Breaks:
25 minutes for normal breaks
45 minutes for lunch breaks

Occasionally, when management isn't trying to catch us up on CBIs/eLMS from mid to late 2016 (yeah, we are that far behind), and we have a beautiful day of weather with lower traffic volume, we go to 30 minute normal breaks and 50 minute to 60 minute lunches. Typically, it takes our shift rep bringing the TOP issue (like the top of the list is at 25-35 minutes on position and the people coming back have been out 25 minutes) to the OM (1 out of 4 is actually good). Honestly, it's better if our TOP is right around one hour. It allows you to be in the position long enough to not make a mistake as soon as you plug in/are getting up (most CAT A errors happen in the first 10 minutes of sitting down, if I remember correctly) and helps the day go by quicker than constantly walking to and from the break room with 25 on and 25 off. Again, those days are extremely rare (Sunday morning with nice weather between 6 AM and 8 AM).

 

[corn4ahead]

@Robertb

Has there been a lot of interest in this that you have heard? (outside of this forum of course)

I imagine it's going to be extremely competitive.

 

[Dontbotherme]

@Robertb

Has there been a lot of interest in this that you have heard? (outside of this forum of course)

I imagine it's going to be extremely competitive.

I was sick three days last week (Sat-Mon), but I've seen more visitors being shown around today (Thu) than I remember seeing in quite awhile. I don't believe in coincidences so I'd say it is because of the MOU or people were planning on their facility being eligible to release someone on the next panel. The shitty part is that there are people in the pipeline, who based on historical data, have little to no chance of certifying here yet they are taking up spots now. Based on the amount of visitors though, I'd say there is quite a bit of interest around the agency. Just off this forum, I've talked to 10-12 people who either are receiving TOL or thinking about bidding here.

 

[corn4ahead]

I was sick three days last week (Sat-Mon), but I've seen more visitors being shown around today (Thu) than I remember seeing in quite awhile. I don't believe in coincidences so I'd say it is because of the MOU or people were planning on their facility being eligible to release someone on the next panel. The shitty part is that there are people in the pipeline, who based on historical data, have little to no chance of certifying here yet they are taking up spots now. Based on the amount of visitors though, I'd say there is quite a bit of interest around the agency. Just off this forum, I've talked to 10-12 people who either are receiving TOL or thinking about bidding here.

Are those people with little chance the tower only folks with no radar experience? Or is it anyone that doesn't have level 8+ radar experience?

 

[Dontbotherme]

Are those people with little chance the tower only folks with no radar experience? Or is it anyone that doesn't have level 8+ radar experience?

I'd say the tower only folks ( not counting ATL transfers) as that historical success rate is zero, I repeat, zero percent.

 

[DankVectorz]

I was sick three days last week (Sat-Mon), but I've seen more visitors being shown around today (Thu) than I remember seeing in quite awhile. I don't believe in coincidences so I'd say it is because of the MOU or people were planning on their facility being eligible to release someone on the next panel. The shitty part is that there are people in the pipeline, who based on historical data, have little to no chance of certifying here yet they are taking up spots now. Based on the amount of visitors though, I'd say there is quite a bit of interest around the agency. Just off this forum, I've talked to 10-12 people who either are receiving TOL or thinking about bidding here.

Same here. Between the prior experience direct hire bid and the ECIP email we have had a non-stop line of tours coming through. You can actually follow the tour through the building by the cries of "don't do it!" and "save yourself!"